Legal/scotus thread

[thethe]

It’s so funny that there is this movement to abolish the Supreme Court completely forgetting 1 hour ago that it was the Supreme Court and Supreme Court alone that upheld that protected abortion rights?

White men ruled for abortion originally. A woman and black man voted against it.

Am I doing this right?

[thethe]

weird, right?

Yup - Never fails. But we are supposed to pretend that after countless peaceful campaign rally's that the Trump people all of a sudden became violent on J6.

[sturg33]

It’s so funny that there is this movement to abolish the Supreme Court completely forgetting 1 hour ago that it was the Supreme Court and Supreme Court alone that upheld that protected abortion rights?

their entire platform relied on activist judges to uphold... they can't legislate it because its so unpopular (and illegal)

[chop2chip]

If you knowingly have unprotected sex during your ovulation period, end up being pregnant and then make a decision to have an abortion I think that means people 'want' abortions. From what I've seen these are hte majority of abortions.

Rape/incest/etc... are a small small percentage of overall abortions.

It’s not that simple thethe. Unwanted pregnancies aren’t just “rape” or “unprotected sex”. There’s a lot of nuances that require compassion. Most data shows women significantly struggle post abortion emotionally. That signals to me that this isn’t a decision taken lightly.

[sturg33]

Yup - Never fails. But we are supposed to pretend that after countless peaceful campaign rally's that the Trump people all of a sudden became violent on J6.

I'll never forget being in DC on 10/31/2020 and seeing all the businesses boarding up their doors and windows in the event that Trump won the election.

Was a crazy sight and one that essentially led to me never being willing to live in a ****hole city again

[thethe]

It’s not that simple thethe. Unwanted pregnancies aren’t just “rape” or “unprotected sex”. There’s a lot of nuances that require compassion. Most data shows women significantly struggle post abortion emotionally. That signals to me that this isn’t a decision taken lightly.

Of course they struggle afterwards. THey committed murder. But prior to they 'wanted' to abort the child.

[sturg33]

It’s not that simple thethe. Unwanted pregnancies aren’t just “rape” or “unprotected sex”. There’s a lot of nuances that require compassion. Most data shows women significantly struggle post abortion emotionally. That signals to me that this isn’t a decision taken lightly.

A lot of tragic things aren't simple... but we don't get to just murder people when life gets hard.

[sturg33]

this is pretty much always true.

most liberal women protesters are hideous creatures. shaved heads, body hair. fat. no feminity ever.

not sure why they are so worried about not having the right to kill their baby

[chop2chip]

A lot of tragic things aren't simple... but we don't get to just murder people when life gets hard.

No point arguing the “murder” operative word. I don’t have a strong opinion about when life begins. For me I think it happened in my late 20’s.

I think where this should have settled long ago is a federal law set at 3 months. No one wins and no one loses.

[sturg33]

No point arguing the “murder” operative word. I don’t have a strong opinion about when life begins. For me I think it happened in my late 20’s.

I think where this should have settled long ago is a federal law set at 3 months. No one wins and no one loses.

sadly, the demons will still be allowed to kill their kid in the blue haven states

states like California are literally about to legislate that it's ok to kill your kid 9 months into term

[thethe]

sadly, the demons will still be allowed to kill their kid in the blue haven states

states like California are literally about to legislate that it's ok to kill your kid 9 months into term

I wonder how aggressive the states iwll become. I don't think the residents of those states are as pro-abortion as we are led to believe. Especially past first trimester.

[thethe]

INSURRECTION!

[chop2chip]

Of course they struggle afterwards. THey committed murder. But prior to they 'wanted' to abort the child.

Thethe, honey. It’s not that simple.

Here is a scenario.

Man and woman decide to have a baby. Woman gets pregnant. Man changes mind and decides to leave. Woman is dependent on the man to help support the baby. Woman struggles but realizes she’s no longer able to support the baby. She decides to have an abortion.

Did she commit murder? Gosh maybe she did. It depends on what you define as life. But I wouldn’t characterize this as irresponsible. This woman is a victim and there isn’t a lot of support for women in these situations because it’s just assumed they are sex starved sluts who get abortion like it’s candy.

[sturg33]

I wonder how aggressive the states iwll become. I don't think the residents of those states are as pro-abortion as we are led to believe. Especially past first trimester.

normal states like Colorado will have laws that more closely reflect Europe and the American people (first trimester)

California and New York will literally advertise that they are the abortion epicenters of America.

[sturg33]

INSURRECTION!

NORMS!

[chop2chip]

sadly, the demons will still be allowed to kill their kid in the blue haven states

states like California are literally about to legislate that it's ok to kill your kid 9 months into term

I personally strongly disagree with those type of abortions. As do most Americans.

[sturg33]

Thethe, honey. It’s not that simple.

Here is a scenario.

Man and woman decide to have a baby. Woman gets pregnant. Man changes mind and decides to leave. Woman is dependent on the man to help support the baby. Woman struggles but realizes she’s no longer able to support the baby. She decides to have an abortion.

Did she commit murder? Gosh maybe she did. It depends on what you define as life. But I wouldn’t characterize this as irresponsible. This woman is a victim and there isn’t a lot of support for women in these situations because it’s just assumed they are sex starved sluts who get abortion like it’s candy.

The logic of this example doesn't change when the father leaves 2 weeks after the baby is born

[chop2chip]

The logic of this example doesn't change when the father leaves 2 weeks after the baby is born

Not arguing morality. Just presenting a justification for short term abortion that isn’t “only sluts with no hearts get abortions”.

[thethe]

Thethe, honey. It’s not that simple.

Here is a scenario.

Man and woman decide to have a baby. Woman gets pregnant. Man changes mind and decides to leave. Woman is dependent on the man to help support the baby. Woman struggles but realizes she’s no longer able to support the baby. She decides to have an abortion.

Did she commit murder? Gosh maybe she did. It depends on what you define as life. But I wouldn’t characterize this as irresponsible. This woman is a victim and there isn’t a lot of support for women in these situations because it’s just assumed they are sex starved sluts who get abortion like it’s candy.

What percentage of abortions do you think this comprises of?

[sturg33]

Not arguing morality. Just presenting a justification for short term abortion that isn’t “only sluts with no hearts get abortions”.

I am arguing morality.

If you agree that the same scenario shouldn't be allowed 2 weeks after birth, despite the woman being the "victim" and not acting irresponsibly... I don't quite understand why that changes 6 months before... other than "it's not a life" 6 months before (despite the human dna and beating heart)