Legal/scotus thread

[thethe]

I am arguing morality.

If you agree that the same scenario shouldn't be allowed 2 weeks after birth, despite the woman being the "victim" and not acting irresponsibly... I don't quite understand why that changes 6 months before... other than "it's not a life" 6 months before (despite the human dna and beating heart)

Or God forbid people delay having sex until they are sure of each-other.....

[chop2chip]

What percentage of abortions do you think this comprises of?

More than what you think! Also, this is a scenario I came up with on my phone while listening to a call at work. Gonna be a lot more than this, which is why I say this is a sensitive issue that deserves compassion and not slut shaming.

[chop2chip]

I am arguing morality.

If you agree that the same scenario shouldn't be allowed 2 weeks after birth, despite the woman being the "victim" and not acting irresponsibly... I don't quite understand why that changes 6 months before... other than "it's not a life" 6 months before (despite the human dna and beating heart)

“It’s not a life” is the point though. You can’t hand wave that away.

[thethe]

More than what you think! Also, this is a scenario I came up with on my phone while listening to a call at work. Gonna be a lot more than this, which is why I say this is a sensitive issue that deserves compassion and not slut shaming.

I firmly believe that majority of abortions are irresponsible people and as someone who has become more radicalized after the birth of his son I can't just sit here and let minority scenarios (that can be easily prevented while demonstrating more responsibility) and support the murder of babies.

[thethe]

“It’s not a life” is the point though. You can’t hand wave that away.

What is a 'life'?

[chop2chip]

What is a 'life'?

Don’t know! And neither do you

[thethe]

Don’t know! And neither do you

I've seen sonograms.

I have a pretty good idea.

So are you in favor of killing 5 year olds? 10 year olds? You said life didn't begin for you in your 20's. Why not kill teenagers?

[thethe]

Isn't it amazing what Trump did to people?

[sturg33]

“It’s not a life” is the point though. You can’t hand wave that away.

But the approach you took a few min ago was a compassionate one, not a technical one.

The compassionate one doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Only the technical argument does.

That's fine... but people need to be willing to define what a life is, when it begins, etc, when they support the ability to end it.

That's what the pro-abortionists never want to do. And that's a big problem

[chop2chip]

I firmly believe that majority of abortions are irresponsible people and as someone who has become more radicalized after the birth of his son I can't just sit here and let minority scenarios (that can be easily prevented while demonstrating more responsibility) and support the murder of babies.

I’m not here to tell you that you are wrong. I think I would vote against anything after first trimester. But you have to recognize that the other side firmly doesn’t think they are murdering baby.

[thethe]

I’m not here to tell you that you are wrong. I think I would vote against anything after first trimester. But you have to recognize that the other side firmly doesn’t think they are murdering baby.

Criminals rarely think they are doing anything wrong.

[chop2chip]

I've seen sonograms.

I have a pretty good idea.

So are you in favor of killing 5 year olds? 10 year olds? You said life didn't begin for you in your 20's. Why not kill teenagers?

**** off thethe. I’m arguing in good faith and you accuse me of wanting to murder kids.

[thethe]

**** off thethe. I’m arguing in good faith and you accuse me of wanting to murder kids.

No - I'm just wondering where your head is at on what is human life.

I can't look at sonograms and not think they are lives and am confused by anyone who thinks otherwise.

I 100% wasn't trying to be an ass and I'm a bit suprecharged because I'm happy.

[Garmel]

Thethe has an effect on people. lol.

[chop2chip]

But the approach you took a few min ago was a compassionate one, not a technical one.

The compassionate one doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Only the technical argument does.

That's fine... but people need to be willing to define what a life is, when it begins, etc, when they support the ability to end it.

That's what the pro-abortionists never want to do. And that's a big problem

I agree 100% with the last statement. They had 40 years to codify a law that defined when life began and they didn’t do it. Roe v Wade allowed them to punt the issue because they believe it gave them a floor as leverage.

Neither side will allow a compromise at this point. I think they missed the boat, so what you have is your Mississippi’s and California’s.

[thethe]

I still don't think that even states like Cali/NY will allow unrestricted abortions.

Eventually they have to go the legislature which is in effect the people.

If you just look at third trimester abortions you'll find difficultly getting more than 20% support. What state assemblyperson is going to want to go back to their constituency with that on their record?

[thethe]

AOC back to her position that protests should make people uncomfortable. Fitting.

[thethe]

I think if states like NY/Cali adopt the most extreme abortion laws into law then it will accelerate the movement back to the right in these states.

All these assemblypeople will be booted by challengers who call out the radical abortion rulings and people will make a common sense decision that people who support killing babies in the third trimester don't deserve to serve in office.

[sturg33]

AOC back to her position that protests should make people uncomfortable. Fitting.

I need the pro-democracy norms people to weigh in... insurrection or peaceful protest?

[thethe]

Hmm - Need a ruling on this as well.