Going, going gone: Braves' lost prospects' new teams

[Southcack77]

How this kind of thing should be done is that the prospects contracts aren't terminated, instead they become property of MLB. MLB then lets teams bid on the prospects. The money paid for the contracts goes to the team that had the prospects taken (up to the full value of the contract).

A system like this prevents prospects from enjoying the benefits of illegal signings and then getting a second signing bonus. It also keeps the loss of prospects from turning into a ridiculous fine.

So you want to make it harder on 16 years olds with no bargaining power and easier in organizations caught deliberately circumventing the rules.

[bravesfanforlife88]

Totally different system though.

True. These guys will more than likely sign for less now, having the money already paid by the Braves.

[Southcack77]

True. These guys will more than likely sign for less now, having the money already paid by the Braves.

Also the penalty for exceeding caps is much more dissuasive.

The shenanigans probably bilked the kids out of money. I think it’s good they get to see the fruits of their talent.

[mfree80]

True. These guys will more than likely sign for less now, having the money already paid by the Braves.

This is correct. What they sign for now will in no way be a true indicator of their value.

[Enscheff]

Also the penalty for exceeding caps is much more dissuasive.

The shenanigans probably bilked the kids out of money. I think it’s good they get to see the fruits of their talent.

There is no penalty for exceeding caps because the caps are hard.

I was just trying to add to the sour grapes in this thread.

[striker42]

So you want to make it harder on 16 years olds with no bargaining power and easier in organizations caught deliberately circumventing the rules.

I want the organizations caught circumventing the rules to be punished in proportion to their crime. Voiding these contracts is tantamount to millions of dollars in fines as the Braves are out the money and the prospects.

Also, I don't think it's right at all that a player can be a party to circumventing the rules, keep his signing bonus, and then go get a second one. I understand a lot of these players are young and have no power. I'm not saying take their original bonus away. On the contrary, make these guys live up to the contracts they signed. Those contracts are just assigned to a different team.

[percival]

How did these players know we broke rules The wrong doing was in 2015. They didn’t know we under reported that year to sign them. They just agreed to terms that were laid out. Why punish them.

$2.2M cash in pocket...punish me...

[percival]

We need to send them the other $1M in spending ability in a separate deal.
Then, Maitan back to ATL for Kelly in June...FTW.

[mqt]

I want the organizations caught circumventing the rules to be punished in proportion to their crime. Voiding these contracts is tantamount to millions of dollars in fines as the Braves are out the money and the prospects.

Also, I don't think it's right at all that a player can be a party to circumventing the rules, keep his signing bonus, and then go get a second one. I understand a lot of these players are young and have no power. I'm not saying take their original bonus away. On the contrary, make these guys live up to the contracts they signed. Those contracts are just assigned to a different team.

But again, the theory behind the penalty was that we bundled players in 2015 in order to be able to sign the kids in 2016. The players never circumvented the rule that we're being punished for, at least as far as we know.

[striker42]

But again, the theory behind the penalty was that we bundled players in 2015 in order to be able to sign the kids in 2016. The players never circumvented the rule that we're being punished for, at least as far as we know.

And assigning the players contracts to another team wouldn't punish them. It just prevents them from getting a second signing bonus. Right now, players have a huge incentive to induce teams to break the rules, roll on them, get declared a free agent, and then get a second signing bonus.

I don't think declaring these guys free agents was smart. Baseball should be assigning their contracts to the highest bidder.

Personally, I think baseball should decide an amount to fine an organization, take the prospects, sell their contracts, and if there's anything in excess of the fine, it's returned to the offending organization.

[Enscheff]

And assigning the players contracts to another team wouldn't punish them. It just prevents them from getting a second signing bonus. Right now, players have a huge incentive to induce teams to break the rules, roll on them, get declared a free agent, and then get a second signing bonus.

I don't think declaring these guys free agents was smart. Baseball should be assigning their contracts to the highest bidder.

Personally, I think baseball should decide an amount to fine an organization, take the prospects, sell their contracts, and if there's anything in excess of the fine, it's returned to the offending organization.

I really, really, really, hope we see a bunch of prospects leak info of their illegal signings.

I know it's purely out of spite, but I want to see it more than I want to see anything happen this offseason.

[JxnMissFan]

Wasn't Maitan signed for 4 million originally?

[Southcack77]

I want the organizations caught circumventing the rules to be punished in proportion to their crime. Voiding these contracts is tantamount to millions of dollars in fines as the Braves are out the money and the prospects.

Also, I don't think it's right at all that a player can be a party to circumventing the rules, keep his signing bonus, and then go get a second one. I understand a lot of these players are young and have no power. I'm not saying take their original bonus away. On the contrary, make these guys live up to the contracts they signed. Those contracts are just assigned to a different team.

It's not a fine. The braves already paid the money some time ago. Those bonuses have nothing to do with their finances going forward because they are off the books. A fine would impact their ability to spend or profit.

You are essentially arguing that they should get the money they spent illegally back as a windfall. That's remarkably stupid.

[Southcack77]

And assigning the players contracts to another team wouldn't punish them. It just prevents them from getting a second signing bonus. Right now, players have a huge incentive to induce teams to break the rules, roll on them, get declared a free agent, and then get a second signing bonus.

I don't think declaring these guys free agents was smart. Baseball should be assigning their contracts to the highest bidder.

Personally, I think baseball should decide an amount to fine an organization, take the prospects, sell their contracts, and if there's anything in excess of the fine, it's returned to the offending organization.

To be clear, you think it is a bad idea that players are incentivized to report wrong doing.

[Orphan Black]

Abrahan Gutierrez signs with the Phils for $550k.

[BedellBrave]

This thread is depressing.

[thethe]

This thread is depressing.

My thoughts exactly.

[bravesfanMatt]

My thoughts exactly.

Coppy said sorry though. We should forgive the piece of ****.

[drewdat]

Some of these signings came through pretty quick. Be a real shame if any of these teams jumped the gun discussing terms.

[mqt]

And assigning the players contracts to another team wouldn't punish them. It just prevents them from getting a second signing bonus. Right now, players have a huge incentive to induce teams to break the rules, roll on them, get declared a free agent, and then get a second signing bonus.

I don't think declaring these guys free agents was smart. Baseball should be assigning their contracts to the highest bidder.

Personally, I think baseball should decide an amount to fine an organization, take the prospects, sell their contracts, and if there's anything in excess of the fine, it's returned to the offending organization.

I think the idea is that it incentivizes the cooperating with the league in investigations.