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    Going, going gone: Braves' lost prospects' new teams

    All departures (and returns) catalogued here. December 5th was first day they were able to sign elsewhere.

    RE-SIGNED
    Yefri del Rosario (Royals): $650 K ($1 million Braves bonus)
    Kevin Maitan (Angels) $2.2 M ($4.3 million Braves bonus)
    Abrahan Gutierrez (Phillies) $550 K ($3.53 million Braves bonus)
    Yenci Pena (Rangers) $675 K ($1.05 million Braves bonus)
    Livan Soto (Angels) $850 K ($1 million Braves bonus)
    Yunior Severino (Twins) $2.5 M ($1.9 million Braves bonus)
    Juan-Carlos Negret (Royals) TBA ($1 million Braves bonus)
    Guillermo Zuniga (Dodgers) $205 K ($350 K Braves bonus)

    AVAILABLE

    Juan Contreras, rhp (Braves bonus: $1.2 million)
    Brandol Mezquita, of (Braves bonus: $300,000)
    Angel Rojas, ss (Braves bonus: $300,000)
    Antonio Sucre of (Braves bonus: $300,000)
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    Former Braves prospect Yefri del Rosario has found a new team. The RHP agreed to a $650K deal with the Royals. The pitcher was one of 12 prospects granted free agency after an MLB investigation determined Atlanta circumvented the international signing guidelines. @MLBPipeline's Jesse Sanchez tweeted the news.

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    I'd assume Severino will be next. Those are the two I think we'll regret losing the most.

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    I am late to the party, can we resign any of the players we lost?

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    I want to keep a running total of how much less they sign for now. It will be interesting to see just how badly the Braves overpaid for these guys while costing themselves access to the international market for the rest of this decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AerchAngel View Post
    I am late to the party, can we resign any of the players we lost?
    Not until May 1st
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    How this kind of thing should be done is that the prospects contracts aren't terminated, instead they become property of MLB. MLB then lets teams bid on the prospects. The money paid for the contracts goes to the team that had the prospects taken (up to the full value of the contract).

    A system like this prevents prospects from enjoying the benefits of illegal signings and then getting a second signing bonus. It also keeps the loss of prospects from turning into a ridiculous fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    How this kind of thing should be done is that the prospects contracts aren't terminated, instead they become property of MLB. MLB then lets teams bid on the prospects. The money paid for the contracts goes to the team that had the prospects taken (up to the full value of the contract).

    A system like this prevents prospects from enjoying the benefits of illegal signings and then getting a second signing bonus. It also keeps the loss of prospects from turning into a ridiculous fine.
    Unfortunately, the league wants to punish us for our wrongdoing. Therefore, they view the risk of us losing the prospects and cash being a lot lower than allowing several players to double dip on signing bonus. They hope that by doing so, other teams won't do what we were caught doing....it sucks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanforlife88 View Post
    Unfortunately, the league wants to punish us for our wrongdoing. Therefore, they view the risk of us losing the prospects and cash being a lot lower than allowing several players to double dip on signing bonus. They hope that by doing so, other teams won't do what we were caught doing....it sucks,
    The problem with this is that losing the prospects is essentially a fine out of proportion with what we did. Imagine going 5 MPH over the speed limit and getting fined $20,000. That's the level of what we're talking about here.

    If you're dedicated to punishment though, MLB could always just pocket the money. Bottom line is that these players don't need to be rewarded for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by striker42 View Post
    The problem with this is that losing the prospects is essentially a fine out of proportion with what we did. Imagine going 5 MPH over the speed limit and getting fined $20,000. That's the level of what we're talking about here.

    If you're dedicated to punishment though, MLB could always just pocket the money. Bottom line is that these players don't need to be rewarded for this.
    Not saying I disagree with the argument. MLB should really do what you are saying and reallocate the remaining cash in a revenue sharing format. For instance, give the remaining cash to the bottom few payroll teams. Or apply it to inner city development of baseball activities. Or international development. etc.

    That way the players still get paid from their new team, and the remaining cash goes to a good cause.
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    Nothing against the players or their fault, but isn't this double dipping?

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    Maitan's an Angel.
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    A reminder that the Braves PAID the Angels $1.21M of IFA bonus pool money to take Jim Johnson. So if you wanna look at it in terms of a trade view. Angels acquire: RP Jim Johnson SS Kevin Maitan Braves acquire RP Justin Kelly (2016 33rd round pick)

    Talk about a kick to the balls

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Maitan's an Angel.
    hate to lose him but glad he is out of the national league.
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    Glad we lost him. So glad.

    Coppy is a real team player. Dick.

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    How did these players know we broke rules The wrong doing was in 2015. They didn’t know we under reported that year to sign them. They just agreed to terms that were laid out. Why punish them.
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    Maitan gets $2.2 mil from LAA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    A reminder that the Braves PAID the Angels $1.21M of IFA bonus pool money to take Jim Johnson. So if you wanna look at it in terms of a trade view. Angels acquire: RP Jim Johnson SS Kevin Maitan Braves acquire RP Justin Kelly (2016 33rd round pick)

    Talk about a kick to the balls
    I agree with the irony (which I brought up when the trade was made), but there are a couple small points worth clarifying...

    1. The Angels used next year's bonus pool to pay for Maitan, not the pool space they acquired from the Braves.
    2. The Braves did not give the Angels $1.21M, only the ability to spend an additional $1.21M without penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    2. The Braves did not give the Angels $1.21M, only the ability to spend an additional $1.21M without penalty.
    which itself is worth over 5M
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I want to keep a running total of how much less they sign for now. It will be interesting to see just how badly the Braves overpaid for these guys while costing themselves access to the international market for the rest of this decade.
    Totally different system though.

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