Braves Will Shop Julio Teheran At Winter Meetings, Per Report

[CrimsonCowboy]

From Talking Chop
https://www.talkingchop.com/2017/12/...rade-available

[mqt]

From Talking Chop
https://www.talkingchop.com/2017/12/...rade-available

Thank you, Jesus.

[Enscheff]

About 2-3 years too late. Selling low seems like a bad idea. Teheran is a good candidate to rebound in 2018.

[bravesfanMatt]

About 2-3 years too late. Selling low seems like a bad idea. Teheran is a good candidate to rebound in 2018.

So this.

[zitothebrave]

About 2-3 years too late. Selling low seems like a bad idea. Teheran is a good candidate to rebound in 2018.

And then we hope to sell him for more gain next offseason? If he fails then we can offload him for truly nothing because he'll only have one year on contract remaining.

Braves aren't in a great bargaining position. They should have sold low on him years ago.

[brian22]

About 2-3 years too late. Selling low seems like a bad idea. Teheran is a good candidate to rebound in 2018.

Agree 100%

[zitothebrave]

About 2 years too late. Julio should have been sent packing when we rebuilt.

[bravesfanMatt]

About 2 years too late. Julio should have been sent packing when we rebuilt.

But we didn’t. So don’t coppi down and trade him while his value is rock bottom. I would rather gamble on a rebound. His last year is an option right. So not a huge gamble.

[Enscheff]

And then we hope to sell him for more gain next offseason? If he fails then we can offload him for truly nothing because he'll only have one year on contract remaining.

Braves aren't in a great bargaining position. They should have sold low on him years ago.

The chances of him regaining his plus-plus control and being a 3 win pitcher are big enough that I would rather not see him bounce back for another team that got him for a FV 50 pitching prospect.

Just because they screwed up by not selling high doesn’t mean they have to double down and compound the error by selling low. It’s time to stop chaining mistakes together into long winding cluster****s.

[bravesfanMatt]

The chances of him regaining his plus-plus control and being a 3 win pitcher are big enough that I would rather not see him bounce back for another team that got him for a FV 50 pitching prospect.

Just because they screwed up by not selling high doesn’t mean they have to double down and compound the error by selling low. It’s time to stop chaining mistakes together into long winding cluster****s.

I have already made double down into coppy down. Until his stench if off this org it will be used.

[Heyward]

If Yankees would accept, Julio for Frazier would make sense for both sides.

Even though Frazier hasnt proven all that much to this point.

[Russ2dollas]

The chances of him regaining his plus-plus control and being a 3 win pitcher are big enough that I would rather not see him bounce back for another team that got him for a FV 50 pitching prospect.

Just because they screwed up by not selling high doesn’t mean they have to double down and compound the error by selling low. It’s time to stop chaining mistakes together into long winding cluster****s.

I will always say it depends on the return.

We have been told AA isn't into collecting assets. He keeps elite prospects and uses the others to improve the MLB team. So if we move JT to move salary and or for filler guys then I will hate it. If he can find a guy that helps us now with control or a top 10 in our system guy then that changes things.

[Chico]

I will always say it depends on the return.

We have been told AA isn't into collecting assets. He keeps elite prospects and uses the others to improve the MLB team. So if we move JT to move salary and or for filler guys then I will hate it. If he can find a guy that helps us now with control or a top 10 in our system guy then that changes things.

It all depends on how teams view Julio. If his 2018 is like his other even numbered years of 2014 and 2016 you're getting a 3.2 win player. If it's like 2015 and 017 you're getting a 1.1 win player. If a team looks at him as a 2.2 win player and cuts it down the middle you're still looking at being in the neighborhood of Cobb and Lynn.

Those guys are projected to get somewhere around 4/55.. Julio is owed 3/31. That is a savings overall even though it's comparing 3 years to 4 years. The big difference is Julio is 26. So we'd be looking for a team who prefers 3 years to 4 years, values young players, and values keeping their draft picks. That team will also have to be willing to give up the necessary prospects to obtain Julio.

[nsacpi]

It all depends on how teams view Julio. If his 2018 is like his other even numbered years of 2014 and 2016 you're getting a 3.2 win player. If it's like 2015 and 017 you're getting a 1.1 win player. If a team looks at him as a 2.2 win player and cuts it down the middle you're still looking at being in the neighborhood of Cobb and Lynn.

Those guys are projected to get somewhere around 4/55.. Julio is owed 3/31. That is a savings overall even though it's comparing 3 years to 4 years. The big difference is Julio is 26. So we'd be looking for a team who prefers 3 years to 4 years, values young players, and values keeping their draft picks. That team will also have to be willing to give up the necessary prospects to obtain Julio.

2-2.5 is the appropriate valuation for Teheran. If someone values him higher I'm fine with a trade.

[Russ2dollas]

It all depends on how teams view Julio. If his 2018 is like his other even numbered years of 2014 and 2016 you're getting a 3.2 win player. If it's like 2015 and 017 you're getting a 1.1 win player. If a team looks at him as a 2.2 win player and cuts it down the middle you're still looking at being in the neighborhood of Cobb and Lynn.

Those guys are projected to get somewhere around 4/55.. Julio is owed 3/31. That is a savings overall even though it's comparing 3 years to 4 years. The big difference is Julio is 26. So we'd be looking for a team who prefers 3 years to 4 years, values young players, and values keeping their draft picks. That team will also have to be willing to give up the necessary prospects to obtain Julio.

Julio is even better b/c he's only due 2 years and the third year is an option. He's less money than Mike Minor.

I agree that I'm not sure who the match is. Maybe it's someone who needs a cheap option. Maybe it's someone like the Yankees who has spent a ton of money on offense and wants to save money somewhere.

I would be very upset if we gave away Julio for a FV 50 lottery ticket or two.

Honestly I'd be surprised if he leaves w/o us getting someone who plays this year. I'm not going to fight with people about his FV money and what a good deal is. Maybe it's a package. But if JT goes I bet we are planning on putting the headliner of that deal at 3B or corner OF and expecting 2+ WAR. Making something up, let's say they think Moran is that guy and the Stros have him blocked and want Tehran (none of that is likely true).

[clvclv]

Julio is even better b/c he's only due 2 years and the third year is an option. He's less money than Mike Minor.

I agree that I'm not sure who the match is. Maybe it's someone who needs a cheap option. Maybe it's someone like the Yankees who has spent a ton of money on offense and wants to save money somewhere.

I would be very upset if we gave away Julio for a FV 50 lottery ticket or two.

Honestly I'd be surprised if he leaves w/o us getting someone who plays this year. I'm not going to fight with people about his FV money and what a good deal is. Maybe it's a package. But if JT goes I bet we are planning on putting the headliner of that deal at 3B or corner OF and expecting 2+ WAR. Making something up, let's say they think Moran is that guy and the Stros have him blocked and want Tehran (none of that is likely true).

I also can't imagine that's the case, but if AA's not sold on Riley he ought to be all over Moran IMO.

[Chico]

I think we should’ve traded him back in 2016 and I don’t agree trading him now at his lowest value, but I don’t t think AA cares about what Coppy did or didn’t do. He’s going to make whatever moves he wants.

[50PoundHead]

Unbridled optimism in some quarters aside, I don't see this team as being a .500 team next season and so trading Teheran now just to trade him doesn't make a ton of sense. Toss him out there in 2018 and let him try to re-build some value in hopes of a higher return. I've always liked the guy, but I don't know what you could get for him now.

[BedellBrave]

So how many years do you toss him out there to try and let him rebuild some value? He is what he is. He's a MOR guy.

[jpx7]

We're also saying all this without knowing what's being offered. If two or more teams likewise value Teheran as a strong bound-back candidate, Anthopoulos might have himself a stew going.