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    The Defense has been the one constant from AA. Looking at the roster you can tell that means Nick and Kemp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    The Defense has been the one constant from AA. Looking at the roster you can tell that means Nick and Kemp.
    Maybe Dansby

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    Even after Dansby forgetting how to play SS for a while he finished the season as a plus defender. I think his defense is why they have a longer leash.

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    Prep for a boring off-season, it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadduxFanII View Post
    Prep for a boring off-season, it seems.

    Sound like it.

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    What in the hell does “payroll is high enough that additions could be made during season” mean?

    Is the payroll not high enough to pay upgrades for the full season? Are we about to see a $90M opening day payroll?

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    Nothing he said is really indicative of anything other than he is acknowledging our defense sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    What in the hell does “payroll is high enough that additions could be made during season” mean?

    Is the payroll not high enough to pay upgrades for the full season? Are we about to see a $90M opening day payroll?
    insert and between enough and that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    What in the hell does “payroll is high enough that additions could be made during season” mean?

    Is the payroll not high enough to pay upgrades for the full season? Are we about to see a $90M opening day payroll?
    I took it to mean he wants to see some of our assets before trying to acquire new assets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I took it to mean he wants to see some of our assets before trying to acquire new assets.
    So that’s going to be the excuse for a $20M-$30M drop in payroll for 2018? Should we expect a payroll of $150M-$160M in 2019 to compensate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    So that’s going to be the excuse for a $20M-$30M drop in payroll for 2018? Should we expect a payroll of $150M-$160M in 2019 to compensate?
    go back and reread the last sentence of the tweet
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    go back and reread the last sentence of the tweet
    You’re probably right. I’m likely over paranoid after the Braves were just gutted.

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    Sabean indicated the Giants will not be signing a QO FA and lose the draft picks (they pick 2nd).

    I think that makes them the favorite for Frazier to upgrade 3b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Sabean indicated the Giants will not be signing a QO FA and lose the draft picks (they pick 2nd).

    I think that makes them the favorite for Frazier to upgrade 3b.
    Who besides us potentially gets MM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Who besides us potentially gets MM?
    the royals will probably make him an offer
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    the royals will probably make him an offer
    Yes but is it an offer he can’t refuse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever Fredi View Post
    Yes but is it an offer he can’t refuse?
    ha...just remember who my favorite Corleone is
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    ha...just remember who my favorite Corleone is
    Connie of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Who besides us potentially gets MM?
    Mutts, but after reading Alderson's comments they don't appear inclined to spend very much either.

    Will be interesting to see what all this does for Frazier's market - if someone steps up and offers him a "fair deal", it could really back Borass into a corner for once - the teams potentially likely to play on either (if you take the Giants out of the mix) include...

    1.) Angels
    2.) Us
    3.) Mutts
    4.) KC
    5.) Cardinals (maybe)

    If Frazier happens to sign early (first), it's probably going to pretty severely limit Moose's market since the Cardinals, Royals, and Mutts certainly aren't likely going to offer him anything close to what Borass' asking price is. If the Angels somehow sign Frazier first, is it really likely to see any of the remaining teams offering him more than 4 years/$60 million and giving up a pick or picks? The Royals might be able to afford that, but they've made no secret that Hosmer's their first priority - they're not likely to make that kind of offer until Hosmer's off the board.
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    I wonder if a rebuilding team would ever sign a FA whose value has been depressed by the QO with the idea to just turn around and trade him.

    So, for instance, the Braves are one of 16 revenue sharing teams and didn't exceed the luxury tax threshold so they would give up their third highest pick in the draft (since the Braves don't have a 3rd rounder, I would guess it would be the 2nd highest pick in this case).

    MLBTR projects the Braves to sign MM for a 5 year $85M contract. But it's debatable as to the need. But what if MM's market became depressed because of the attachment of the QO and his market was ~ 4 years, $68M. What would you think if the Braves signed him to that contract, gave up the second round pick, with the intention of trading him at first available opportunity (say trade deadline) to someone like the Giants for something along the lines of OF Heliot Ramos.

    The approach would net the Giants that they coveted (assuming they don't address the position in a better way), would save them the pick, would get them MM at a deflated rate (because only reason for Braves to sign him). The Braves would give up a second round pick of unknown ultimate value and also pay MM for some time while taking advantage of his play but would gain a better known quantity in 1st round pick Ramos all without paying his bonus.

    Of course this couldn't be worked out in advance. And the initial target team when you originated the move may change over time. Plus, it's a gamble, because you could end up stuck with the guy OR he could play so well that you could find it politically difficult to move him at all.

    But, I see it as an edge area where a smart team that is willing and able to gamble a bit MIGHT retrieve a big benefit.

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