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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    Now trade Julio. McCarthy replaces his innings, and we are punting another year of him being healthy.
    I don't think we are punting. It isn't a binary choice. And Julio's value is probably more likely to rise than fall over the course of 2018.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I don't think we are punting. It isn't a binary choice. And Julio's value is probably more likely to rise than fall over the course of 2018.
    Agreed. Rotation as of now is Teheran/Gohara/Folty/Newk/Mcarthey. We are able to monitor his innings by using the 10 day DL. Shuttle in our AAA arms (Fried/Soroka/Allard) during the year to let them experience the big show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    Now trade Julio. McCarthy replaces his innings, and we are punting another year of him being healthy.
    Counting on McCarthy to soak up innings is kinda like counting on Kemp to run a ball down in the gap - probably not a good idea.

    Doesn't mean I wouldn't keep listening on Julio, just a bad example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    A smarter FO. Having Acuna start 2018 in Atlanta is pointless. Also realizes Kemp is not even an average player anymore.
    I give up. You're right. You were always right about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I think the most likely scenario is we decide to upgrade both left and third. From a risk/reward perspective I'd rather get two good players for those positions than one very risky long-term mega deal. Marwin Gonzalez is one guy on the list who appeals to me given his versatility and given that he may come on a reasonable contract.
    He just hired Boras so won't be cheap.

    I live in Houston and follow the Stros quite a bit. I expect him to regress this year after he disappeared 2nd half of last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I give up. You're right. You were always right about him.

    I thought Kemp would hit better last season but the injuries derailed that. I think if he was on the roster that enscheff has the best idea. Give him regular days off and replace him defensively late in games every opportunity that you can. That should keep him healthier and decrease the negative value he brings defensively. Doing that correctly could lead to a ~1.5 WAR season. But getting him off the roster like this is even better.

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    I’d still trade Markakis and Teheran. A move for Yelich and Prado would top off the whole offseason. The moves we’ll be able to make next offseason with the money and available trade bait will be insane.

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    We need to know Kazmir’s contract details as far as money coming back and deferred money owed. It may be a situation where we only pay him $8M this year and Dodgers pay all of the deferred money. See details on link

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tru...odgers-opt-out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson2 View Post
    I’d still trade Markakis and Teheran. A move for Yelich and Prado would top off the whole offseason. The moves we’ll be able to make next offseason with the money and available trade bait will be insane.
    We hope it will be.I wouldn't trust this ownership group to do anything more then continue to look at the bottom line and not give a damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    LOL, you think the next move after they clearly just punted 2018 is to add payroll?
    Already at around 110. They still want to add a reliever, a 3b, and an OFer. You think they are really gonna spend less than 10 or so million on that? AA already on record saying he thinks payroll could be around 130.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Already at around 110. They still want to add a reliever, a 3b, and an OFer. You think they are really gonna spend less than 10 or so million on that? AA already on record saying he thinks payroll could be around 130.
    Braves revenues and ebitda increased a lot from last year. There is money to spent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Already at around 110. They still want to add a reliever, a 3b, and an OFer. You think they are really gonna spend less than 10 or so million on that? AA already on record saying he thinks payroll could be around 130.
    I certainly hope not. I would love to see a payroll of $130M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I certainly hope not. I would love to see a payroll of $130M.
    Do you now actually, dare I suggest, have hope for the payroll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklahomabrave View Post
    Do you now actually, dare I suggest, have hope for the payroll?
    I think it’s going down from the $125M of last year.

    I would love to see them add $20M+ in smart acquisitions and be fringe WC contenders though.

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    Since the net salary exchange here is neutral, this trade seems to work out for both teams based on this "exchange":

    - Braves get to completely front load their dead money side of this swap in 2018. When the sun came up this morning, they had $18m of dead money in 2019, and now they have zero.
    - Braves get a ~2 WAR veteran SP that they were going to be pursuing anyway at a reasonable rate.
    - The Dodgers end up looking like obvious losers on the salary and player exchange, but they save a ton of overall money because their luxury tax overage percentage goes form 50% to 20% this year.

    So in a sense, the Braves are able to get a great deal here because of the Dodger's luxury tax situation. One way to think about it is the Dodgers split the value of the luxury tax savings with the Braves, and the Braves side of the split came in the two perks noted above . . . while the Dodgers half is pure money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I think it’s going down from the $125M of last year.

    I would love to see them add $20M+ in smart acquisitions and be fringe WC contenders though.
    When AA said $130M, a few on the board questioned where he would spend that money given that the desirable FA guys were already gone.

    I think he gave us a big part of the answer to that question today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfree80 View Post
    When AA said $130M, a few on the board questioned where he would spend that money given that the desirable FA guys were already gone.

    I think he gave us a big part of the answer to that question today.
    We have been kicking around the idea of the Braves using 2018 payroll to get rid of Kemp’s contract by buying him out. Rather than simply do that, AA was able to get a #4 SP and a utility player that should allow them to play Camargo at 3b.

    This was a very good trade that took advantage of the Dodgers luxury tax situation...a situation I’m sure AA was intimately familiar with.

    I don’t think any other GM could have handled Kemp’s contract better. Big props to AA for this.
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    And it would seem for the long haul, trades that at least seem to benefit both teams help the GMs that make them. If I were a GM I'd more likely deal with a guy like AA...

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    Ultimately, the Oliveira/Kemp trade now looks like a decent trade for Atlanta. Ultimately, they were able in the end to shed obligations to oliveira in 2020 and 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Already at around 110. They still want to add a reliever, a 3b, and an OFer. You think they are really gonna spend less than 10 or so million on that? AA already on record saying he thinks payroll could be around 130.
    I've got us at $114,755,000 - but that includes potential bonuses and has Kazmir at $16 million until we get clarification.

    The question (assuming they want to add as little as possible to the 2019 payroll) is how do you spend that money if that $130 million is actually available - WITHOUT moving any of our top prospects?

    1.) Seymour and Sanchez to San Diego for Headley - adds $13 million (and creates a 40-Man Roster spot for him).

    2.) Muller and Wilson to Cincinnati for Duvall - adds ~ $800,000 (if you give him a decent bump). DFA Garcia to create a roster spot.

    3.) Take a flier on Sergio Romo for ~ $2 million. DFA Hursh to create a roster spot.
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