If there is no deal without acuna, who can the marlins realistically trade with considering acuna is one of the best prospects in baseball?
If there is no deal without acuna, who can the marlins realistically trade with considering acuna is one of the best prospects in baseball?
Listened to our boy, Shanks.
His proposal (which included Realmuto and I guess Prado) basically was:
Braves get: Yelich, Realmuto, Prado, little bit of cash for Prado
Marlins get: Folty or Newcomb or Gohara; Allard or Soroka or Wright; Dansby or Riley; Pache; Markakis, Suzuki, a little bit of cash to pay those two, and a couple prospects the next tier down from the top.
Last edited by bravesnumberone; 01-18-2018 at 11:27 AM.
Really dumb on the Marlins part if the ask for Acuna is true. They aren't anywhere near competing now especially if they trade Yelich and Realmuto. They need guys who will become Acuna in 3-5 years. Even IF the Braves were to send Acuna to them, he would be up burning control time for probably 4/6 of his control years while they build the rest of the team and try to be competitive.
They need a quantity + long term quality trade. I'm not talking about what Pittsburgh got back for Cole. That was a quantity win now type trade because pretty much everybody they go back is knocking on the door. The Marlins need high end talent guys who are at A Ball or below. Sure, there is more risk, but you know if you get Acuna then you are going to waste a ton of his control.
An unseen issue with what has happened with the Marlins is that players will be extremely reluctant to sign extensions with them in the future depending on how Yelich is handled.
And the return should be a mix of pitching and hitting.
Marlins need something like: Ian Anderson, Pache, Drew Waters and Derian Cruz for Yelich and Prado
Sure that wouldn't look like fair FV value. All those guys are at A ball and wet behind the ears. BUT, it's the kind of trade they should do.
jpx7 (01-19-2018)
I think the A's match up with the Marlins the best.Originally Posted by msstate7
A package like Baretto, Fowler, Sean Murphy and pitching would make sense
If the Braves were ready to compete, an Albies for Sale trade would have worked out quite well. There is a glut of good players available at 2B right now via both trade and FA, so the Braves could have signed someone like Walker and largely replaced Albies' production...and had Sale.
thethe (01-18-2018)
Why in the hell would both teams send cash the other way?
jpx7 (01-19-2018)
No, thank you. Next, please.
bravesnumberone (01-18-2018), buck75 (01-18-2018)
If the marlins loved dansby I’d move him and put Albies at short. Could probably get Castro in the Yelich package without much extra
Seems odd that stories linking the Braves to Yelich keep coming out of no where...
I mean, the Braves have probably inquired, but why would Gammons all of a sudden mention the Braves and Yelich? If he heard something, then that means someone is talking.
No one cares about any news that doesn't make sense...he did not say, the Marlins will not trade Yelich to the HOU unless Tucker is included. Because no one in Houston would care. So maybe this is smoke prior to some quiet (by AA) announcement.
I agree on the timeline. If you plan a 4-5 year rebuild, why trade for MLB ready players. They don't need Folty, Newcomb, Gohara at all (MLB ready). Probably don't need Acuna, Albies, Swanson (MLB likely). May not want Allard, Soroka, Wright (MLB ready in 1-2 years).
That leaves the A+ & below class to start...Anderson, Wentz, Wilson, Pache, Herbert, Cruz, Waters types.
Not FV balanced, but would you do a Anderson, Wentz, Davidon, Waters for Yelich?
Was weird to me, too.
I would do it. I doubt the Marlins would. The issue is that all could bust and they have nothing or all could bust out and they have everything. Low A ball guys of today will make up the top 50 MLB prospects of tomorrow, unless a guy jumps up there based on his draft position and pre-draft scouting. The trick would be getting enough talent back that at least some of it (more than one player) turns out to be a high value property in 2-3 years. For a rebuilding team, all their trades should be constructed that way.
Why stand one good player in the OF when the rest of the team totally sucks? You are just wasting control time for the player. Seeing a team that isn't good but doesn't suck as bad as they possibly could suck provides marginal enjoyment anyway. If you are going to build, then commit to building. MLB has arranged the rules in a way that rebuilding teams should want to be as bad as possible. Look at the Astros, dead last for several years, losing 100 games 3 years in a row IIRC. Look at them now: WS Champion; one of the best teams in baseball; young and controllable at a reasonable price and poised to be good for a while; still stocked with young prospects in their minor leagues; led by a FO that works all the angles and strong arms weaker franchises with weaker FO.
It took several years of pain but find an Astros fan now who doesn't think it was worth it.
Last edited by Horsehide Harry; 01-18-2018 at 06:46 PM.
So Shanks would trade Gohara, Wright, Dansby, Pache, and a couple of other prospects a few tiers down for Yelich and Realmuto? He has lost his damn mind. If AA did that then he should be fired immediately and join Coppy on the ban list.
jpx7 (01-19-2018)
I understand Harper is only around for 1 more year in all likelihood, and Yelich would be a great replacement, but where exactly does Yelich play in 2018? They have Harper, Taylor, and Eaton already. Even with their window closing, I just can't see why the Nationals trade their best prospect for a marginal upgrade. I'm sure they'll be all over Realmuto though.
Lol in my head I picture AA running some sort of short change scam on Jeter or something
Seems close to ok to me. I’d probably do gohara or Wright and the rest of it.
If you can convince the marlins Swanson is good, Good on y’all.
With all the pitching we’ve stockpiled we can’t trade our 2 best pitchers (Gohara & Wright) in the same deal. I love Yelich but no way i do that.
buck75 (01-18-2018)
Yeah, that's why I said "or." Otherwise it looks ok, if premature maybe.
A couple of points of interest on Yelich. He is a candidate to blow up and be a superstar IF he changes his launch angle. His angle sits right around zero and the result has been one of the league leaders in his early career in ground ball percentage. His 55-60% GB% is keeping his HRs down. Compare that to what Cody Bellinger did last season with 35% GB s and 39 bombs or Trout who sat at 36% GBs and you get a beast.
Make that tweak and he is worth whatever the Braves have to give up.
As others have said, it's just too early for a blockbuster (unless AA can get one completely on HIS terms) IMO. If Acuna is Yelich with better speed and defense and Gohara, Wright, Soroka, and Allard come even close to living up to their billing you're liable to regret trading a single one of them - and that's even if Allard's velocity doesn't rebound.
Offer Milwaukee their choice of Teheran or Folty for Domingo Santana rather than pay the price for Yelich. Offer the Yankees Newcomb for Andujar if they plan on signing Machado - he could step in and replace Sabathia in 2019.
Sure some things will have to go right, but there's already a non-zero chance that Gohara, Wright, Soroka, and Allard may all deserve 2019 rotation spots as it stands now - use the other pieces to fill the holes. If you could make those types of trades, you'd still have 2 of Julio/Folty/Fried to go with that foursome, and plenty of money to add a veteran to the mix if need be.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
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