For just Yelich I’d say Newcomb, Allard, Pache, and Anderson. That’s a big package but I’d do it for Yelich. It would still leave us with Wright, Soroka, Wentz, Touki, Wilson, and the #8 pick in the minors which is still better than %90 of other teams.
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They did for Stanton because they put themselves in a position where they essentially had to trade Stanton and he got to dictate terms on who he would go to. That gave all the advantage to the Yankees in what they had to give up.
The Ozuna trade wasn't as bad as some are making it out to be.
Ozuna is going to be worth 7-8 wins before he he hits FA. That's worth like 63-72 million on the open market. Ozuna will make something like ~28 million over those 2 years in arbitration. So I'd put him at 40 million in surplus value.
The Fish got 2 50 FV prospects and filler for him. That was was worth an estimated 34 million a year ago and no doubt that has gone up.
So two things here. Fish took a Hart/Coppy trade where they accepted quantity over quality like the Braves did when they sold off their guys. Braves have a plethora of these types so they could put together a deal the Fish may like.
Ozuna's value is totally different than Yelichs. Ozuna has two years left and the Cards are currently at the mercy of the arbitration system which pays players like Ozuna well. Yelich has something like 5 years and his salary is set in stone. He has much more value and you can pinpoint a pretty exact amount. He will require substantially more.
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I doubt the Braves currently have the payroll to take on anymore bad money. They are already doing this by getting Kemp off the roster. The only real solution would be to find a way to ship Markakis off somewhere. But that seems counter productive to keeping Acuna down until he passes super 2 status. Also I'm not sure how much the Fish need to shed salary now that they have already made a few moves.
Yelich has upwards of $120M in surplus value, but given the unimpressive return they got for Ozuna I imagine offers totaling ~$100M could be plausible.
So take Yelich’s value and subtract the negative value of someone like Prado, Chen or Tazawa, and you have the value of the package overall. However, I find it extremely unlikely the Braves went to all that trouble to rid themselves of Kemp’s money in 2019 only to take on other bad money in 2019. Maybe Prado is an exception to that though.
Approximate value of the Braves prospects not named Albies or Acuna:
Wright $35M
Gohara $35M
Allard $25M
Soroka $25M
Newk $20M
Anderson $20M
Fried $20M
Pache $20M
Riley $15M
Wentz $15M
Add them up any way you want, but it is very unlikely the Marlins trade Yelich without getting at least 2 FV 55 guys as the centerpiece.
A trade for Yelich almost has to coincide with the Braves trading Markakis and/or Teheran to free up salary to take bad money from Miami. The cost in prospects is likely too steep otherwise.
It also likely requires the Marlins overvaluing MLB ready pitchers like Newk, Fried or Sims as a substantial part of the return. I could see the Braves selling high on Camargo as well if the Marlins are fans of his.
Having said all that, AA might very well be cooking up something none of us even imagined that gets Yelich to Atlanta.
And by crazy I mean something like:
Braves get Yelich
Yankees get Prado and Teheran
Marlins get Frazier, Allard and Riley
Some cash might need to go to the Yankees from the Braves.
Watch AA says screw everyone else and grab Yelich, Realmuto and Darvish/Arrieta. lol
It would be killer for the farm system, but we'd immediately become a fun team to watch.
The Hamilton comparison is in event Pache doesn't gain any in game power. He should still have elite speed and defense, ala Hamilton.
Someone like Angel Pagan is likely a better comp than Ender, but I used Ender because he is a Brave. They are fairly similar players statistically though.
15 homer is more the top out for Pache with his swing plane. It's far more likely he'll average near 10 homers on a regular basis and that's not significant power.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
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Realmuto plus Yelich is only about 11 million or so in 2018. If the Braves are at 117, that is doable on a payroll similar to last season. I don't think they would necessarily want to keep Markakis if they acquired Yelich though. They'd probably would also move Suzuki or Flowers. Just natural position opening moves you are talking about 3 million plus some portion of Markakis's 11 million. That deal would probably not end up adding much payroll.
**of course the Marlins might insist on Braves eating a bad contract as well, and that would be different.
Financially, I think it probably does work. I don't have any idea about whether it would work for either team on prospects and I'm not sure whether I would like the cost from Braves side.
Last edited by Southcack77; 01-04-2018 at 08:16 AM.
Acquiring Yelich a d Realmuto could be expensive. I think you'd have to attach Chen to it. I don't think AA would be opposed to such a deal after being in L.A. and working the DL and oft injured pitchers. His contract is very much deferred, so while we'd be taking on 52M it wouldn't hurt us at all in 2018 with 2-8M counting on 2018 payroll.
I'd offer Alex Jackson and Christian Pache and 3 pitchers from 3 tiers.
One of Wright or Gohara
One of Soroka, Allard, or Anderson
One of Newcomb or Fried
I'd like a Yelich, Realmuto, and Chen deal for Gohara, Anderson, Newcomb, Pache, and Ajax
I've already proposed a very similar trade sans Prado to NY. It just makes too much sense for all parties involved. Yankees use Frazier to get a cost controlled durable starter who will be 27 to start the year. They also get a decent 3b option. Marlins get several top prospects in the deal. Braves get a long term offensive piece and doesn't really add any payroll.