Braves sniffing around on Yelich, Realmuto

[Knucksie]

waiting for enscheff to tell you that everyone knows fWAR is better than bWAR...

Sure you've heard it all before.

[Enscheff]

wanting to think of him as god-like doesn't mean he was or is, tho.

waiting for enscheff to tell you that everyone knows fWAR is better than bWAR...

I prefer fWAR for pitchers and hitters because UZR tends to not have those huge outlier defender-seasons like DRS does. Anytime a metric spits out a result stating that a player was an extreme outlier, either good or bad, we should be a bit skeptical.

I think it has to do with this quote, “Defensive Runs Saved uses a rolling one-year basis for the Plus/Minus system, while UZR uses several years of data to determine each play’s difficulty level.”

I haven’t dug into it much, but it seems to me using more data as your baseline would produce more stable results. It may very well be that one is better at grading infielders while the other is better at grading outfielders. It’s definitely something that would be interesting to investigate. At the end of the day, I think Statcast data from baseball savant will replace both, and we won’t have to worry about this debate anymore.

FG is just such a superior site overall for finding stats, leaderboards, splits and projections that I would probably reference fWAR even if I didn’t think UZR was superior.

[BeanieAntics]

I prefer fWAR for pitchers and hitters because UZR tends to not have those huge outlier defender-seasons like DRS does. Anytime a metric spits out a result stating that a player was an extreme outlier, either good or bad, we should be a bit skeptical.

I think it has to do with this quote, “Defensive Runs Saved uses a rolling one-year basis for the Plus/Minus system, while UZR uses several years of data to determine each play’s difficulty level.”

I haven’t dug into it much, but it seems to me using more data as your baseline would produce more stable results. It may very well be that one is better at grading infielders while the other is better at grading outfielders. It’s definitely something that would be interesting to investigate. At the end of the day, I think Statcast data from baseball savant will replace both, and we won’t have to worry about this debate anymore.

FG is just such a superior site overall for finding stats, leaderboards, splits and projections that I would probably reference fWAR even if I didn’t think UZR was superior.

I agree with this, but I am curious how they plan to implement that data. Will they try to rewrite the WAR formula to build that data into it or will they come up with a completely different catch all stat that becomes superior to WAR?

[thewupk]

I agree with this, but I am curious how they plan to implement that data. Will they try to rewrite the WAR formula to build that data into it or will they come up with a completely different catch all stat that becomes superior to WAR?

I think they will just incorporate statcast data into the current WAR model. Once they figure out how to get runs saved and lost out of the data it will essentially be plug and play.