Again, I'm in no way disputing that any team that "signs an impact FA will be on the hook for an underwater contract when that player enters his late 30s", I'm just saying that the current market climate—and its (justifiable) greater reluctance to sign players already in their thirties—really depresses the earnings potential of late-bloomers, regardless of how superlative they end up becoming. That hasn't always been the case, but it is the case and it's unfortunate for a player like Donaldson—even if it's savvy on the part of teams.
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Exactly. While I don’t think there is a single Braves fan that doesn’t love Freeman, we have to be smart and realize he’ll be gone when his contract expires. He’s going to demand way too much money for a player and position that won’t be worth it for a mid market team like the Braves. We’d have more than a quarter of our entire payroll wrapped up in a single player, and a player that will quickly and steeply decline.
True. In general players just aren't productive into their late 30's. As far as the WAR element and 1B defense. You may have a point. But it still should be obvious to most that primary 1B just don't last into their late 30's. We have Freeman through the perfect age. If someone wants to pay him big bucks after that then it will go horribly for them.
Donaldson at ~28 shouldn't be a quarter of our payroll if we are to believe those 130 million numbers. If payroll stays stagnant yet again for the 20th year in a row then you'd be right. I don't necessarily think it's a great idea to push for Donaldson for 5 years or so but it would be the fastest way to make the team competitive during the Freeman window. Some things would have to fall in place in 2018 though.
clvclv (01-13-2018)
Agreed. It seems likely that the second half of that hypothetical contract (2022-24) is likely to coincide with the prime years of some of our best prospects. During this period Albies will be playing his ages 25-27 seasons, Acuna his ages 24-26 seasons, Soroka his ages 24-26 seasons, Wright his ages 26-28 seasons, and Gohara his ages 25-27. I would not be inclined to view those years as ones we should be "writing off" the second half of a millstone contract.
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"I am your retribution."
There are so many "ifs" and "buts" in this thread, the Braves should have a a very Merry Christmas.
It will definitely be a win now vs later debate. Any large FA contract exchanges future wins for current wins in the form of payroll capacity. It’s why “win now” teams sign impact FAs and bad teams don’t.
If the inclusion of Donaldson makes the Braves a legit WC contender in 2019, then it makes sense to consider cashing in some future wins.
If the pitching flops again this season, or the few young position players the Braves are relying on don’t perform as expected, it won’t make any sense to sign him.
I'd rather go 5 years.
6 years and his 33-38? age seasons, oof those final 2 years could be very bad.
But going after Donaldson probably depends how the young pitching does next year.
There are ways to get good value for the payroll we will have next off-season without taking on contracts that become a big liability during the 2022-24 seasons. We have to look at the players who signed big contracts in recent years who come next off-season will only have 2-3 years left on their contracts. In some cases, the players are still productive but the contracts will not have much surplus value, which means we can acquire them without giving up much. Also there will be some younger players a year or two away from free agency (Eugenio Suarez for example) that we may want to target.
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"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
If we keep putting off winning then Freeman needs to be traded this offseason.
So what if in 2018...
Folty and Gohara post 3+ win seasons.
Soroka debuts and shows reason to project him at 2+ wins in 2019.
Swanson back to being a 2-3 win guy.
Albies posts 3+ wins.
Acuna posts 2+ wins in 400+ PAs.
The Braves win 80 games.
Riley shows he isn’t the answer at 3b.
Camargo shows he is truly a utility guy.
The Nats lose Harper and are no longer the super team they are now.
In that scenario the Braves would be projected to win 80-85 games in 2019 with a gaping hole at 3B and LF. Donaldson is sitting there as a 5 win upgrade.
Scenarios like that are why he’s the only premium FA the Braves could be in on. Well not only, I suppose they could be in on $100M options for LF too.
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"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
And continue to waste the prime seasons of Freeman and Inciarte. Teams do not trade MLB position players for MLB pitchers.
The Braves will have to fill C, LF and 3B next offseason. I imagine 2 will be filled via FA, and 1 filled via trade.
C will likely be one of Flowers or Grandal, and following how they upgrade LF and 3B should finally make for a fun offseason for Braves fans.
Hudson2 (01-13-2018)
Any chance Posey is moved when the Giants tear it down?
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