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I think I agree with you but words matter. They especially matter when you write and/or communicate for a living.
Floor should mean floor. He could easily say a low end comp is Pillar. If he never hits he is probably Billy Hamilton.
We all get that floor doesn't totally mean floor. IF you look at prospect outcomes the easiest way to be correct the highest percentage of the time is to say the guy is going to be a 0-1 total WAR guy for his career. Most guys don't make it. But floor doesn't mean you hit better in MLB than you hit in A ball either.
Kiley didn’t actually use the word floor.
Pillar has been one of the very worst qualifying outfield hitters by wRC+ in each of the last three years.
Kiley may be saying he sees pache’s hit tool as good enough to perform at that level right now.
Obviously he might not be good enough to make the majors or have qualifying at bats, but kiley may be saying he doesn’t see that happening based on his tools right now.
UNCBlue012 (01-25-2018)
Pillar is actually rated #205 out of #232 qualifying players in wRC+ between 2015-2017.
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clvclv (01-25-2018)
clvclv (01-25-2018)
We will see. I am not going to look up the numbers but I think Pache has a better track record at this point than Ender. I think he might be a better defender too. But I'd still deal him if we could get Yellich.
Allard didn't even make Klaw's list for just missed the top 100. What am I missing? I haven't seen anyone say he's a number 1. But there are a lot of future mid rotation guys in the Klaw top 100. He's way low on Allard and Riley compared to others and way high on Wentz, Anderson and Pache compared to others.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
It's not just Law, but all those guys seem to have "favorites" as well as guys they're just not sold on for varying reasons. Riley's always been one of those as far as Law's concerned - but there are others that have bones to pick with a couple guys that the other "experts" are high on as well. Law has just always been one of the last to be willing to change his mind once he's voiced an opinion on a prospect IMO - they really have to explode before he acknowledges improvement usually rather than show incremental improvement as Riley has.
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
I agree. Someone like that would be a good replacement for Ender. Even if he doesn't hit a lot he could still be a 2 WAR player due to his defense and base running. Hit him 8th and use him while he's cheap and move on. If the hitting does develop you could have a prime Michael Bourn on your hands.
I think you guys are under seeing pache offensive potential. I think he will hit better than ender
UNCBlue012 (01-25-2018)
Law's lists are bad because they aren't consistent, as you have just pointed out.
He seems to project ultimate upside based on his own eye test, and then fails to properly account for proximity to the MLB level. As icing on the Terrible List Cake, he is unwilling to assimilate new information (like Riley's improved defense) into his rankings.
Pache could definitely end up a better hitter than Inciarte, but it's far from a sure, or even a probable, thing. I think if people thought Ender could hit the way he has, he wouldn't have been a Rule 5 guy. Now, just because people missed on him doesn't mean Pache can't hit better than that. But Ender's not-terrible offense has probably been a surprise to some teams.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg