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    Fangraphs Top 100 Prospects

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-top-100-prospects/

    Acuna 2
    Wright 26
    Gohara 31
    Soroka 34
    Pache 37
    Anderson 45
    Riley 55
    Touki 60
    Fried 78
    Wentz 84

    Maybe it's the skeptic in me, but this seems kind of excessive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-top-100-prospects/

    Acuna 2
    Wright 26
    Gohara 31
    Soroka 34
    Pache 37
    Anderson 45
    Riley 55
    Touki 60
    Fried 78
    Wentz 84

    Maybe it's the skeptic in me, but this seems kind of excessive.

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    Scouting reports and tool grades for each player in the top 100 are listed at that link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Good grief. When did thethe start working at fangraphs.
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    Allard off another list. This will be a pivotal year for the kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Allard off another list. This will be a pivotal year for the kid.
    The yo-yoing on Allard will be amusing to watch. Obviously the homer in me is rationalizing why the velocity dropped last year but not many kids do what he did at AA at 20 years of age.
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    To me the most interesting thing is Acuna's 45/50 grade on his glove. That is a BIG gap from some of the other sources that I have read, who seem to think his glove is comfortably a plus. That was probably the difference between him being a 65 or a 70.

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    on anderson:

    "...but a combination of corraling his rising velocity along with minor-league-level umpires inconsistency at calling high strikes has impacted his walk figures."

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    Oh Kiley....

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    Well, I guess we got our answer on Pache. Kiley really does think of him that highly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    Maybe it's the skeptic in me, but this seems kind of excessive.
    It's the Kiley effect on a few of them.

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    My boy, Riley gonna shoot up even more this season

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-top-100-prospects/

    Acuna 2
    Wright 26
    Gohara 31
    Soroka 34
    Pache 37
    Anderson 45
    Riley 55
    Touki 60
    Fried 78
    Wentz 84

    Maybe it's the skeptic in me, but this seems kind of excessive.
    There is definitely some pozzy Braves bias due to Kiley being "the Braves guy", but overall it's a good list. The Touki ranking is a bit baffling, but I suppose their thinking is he's still young enough that they can continue dreaming on his control improving.

    We now see how high Kiley is on Pache. I agree that he slots in behind the Gohara/Wright/Soroka trio, but #37 overall might be a little high. Still, a prospect with Kevin Pillar's floor is not the #37 prospect in the game haha. I notice he hedged his comment a little bit to, "With little improvement, he’s a Kevin Pillar".

    Allard is completely off the list...even with Kiley pozzying it up. This list implies he isn't even considered to be in the Braves Top 10 anymore, and he is now a low-end FV 50 guy.

    Wright's FV dropped to 55 from 60 after 17 professional innings (so did Hunter Greene's). He didn't exactly impress in his pro debut, but it's a bit surprising to see him dropped like that.

    My biggest issue is with the consistency of this new "Variance" column. Gohara and Soroka are both FV 55 pitchers, ranked only 3 spots apart. Gohara has "Med" Variance, yet is ranked about Soroka, who has "Low" Variance. I imagine there will be many requests for clarification about this new column in the prospects chat tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    on anderson:

    "...but a combination of corraling his rising velocity along with minor-league-level umpires inconsistency at calling high strikes has impacted his walk figures."

    Man. I wish Kiley had just remained the Braves Siberia cross checker.

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    Maitan dropped off the top 100 as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    There is definitely some pozzy Braves bias due to Kiley being "the Braves guy", but overall it's a good list. The Touki ranking is a bit baffling, but I suppose their thinking is he's still young enough that they can continue dreaming on his control improving.

    We now see how high Kiley is on Pache. I agree that he slots in behind the Gohara/Wright/Soroka trio, but #37 overall might be a little high. Still, a prospect with Kevin Pillar's floor is not the #37 prospect in the game haha. I notice he hedged his comment a little bit to, "With little improvement, he’s a Kevin Pillar".

    Allard is completely off the list...even with Kiley pozzying it up. This list implies he isn't even considered to be in the Braves Top 10 anymore, and he is now a low-end FV 50 guy.

    Wright's FV dropped to 55 from 60 after 17 professional innings (so did Hunter Greene's). He didn't exactly impress in his pro debut, but it's a bit surprising to see him dropped like that.

    My biggest issue is with the consistency of this new "Variance" column. Gohara and Soroka are both FV 55 pitchers, ranked only 3 spots apart. Gohara has "Med" Variance, yet is ranked about Soroka, who has "Low" Variance. I imagine there will be many requests for clarification about this new column in the prospects chat tomorrow.
    They seem to equate variance with risk in the writeup on Acuna. So, my guess is that it's variance between ceiling and floor, or perhaps variance between scouting projections you'll find. But I can see a guy with a higher variance, or more risk, being ranked ahead of a guy with the same overall grade but lower variance because, while the risk may be lower, the ceiling is also lower. So it's all just a matter of what you give the most weight to.

    We can argue all day about what the true floor of a guy with Pache's grades is (yes, it's true that the absolute floor of someone with a current hit grade of 20 is likely not Kevin Pillar). But if those grades are fairly accurate or in any way an industry consensus, holy crap. 80 run, 80 field, 70 arm? That is insane. If he hits even a little bit, that's a souped-up Inciarte. If he has even a 45-50 hit tool ultimately, that's like a 4-win player.

    Also interesting to see Kyle Lewis completely off the list after his struggles last year. I think Anderson is now ranked ahead of him on basically every list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post

    Also interesting to see Kyle Lewis completely off the list after his struggles last year. I think Anderson is now ranked ahead of him on basically every list.
    He's not even on the honorable mentions down below. very interesting. seems like the right call was made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    He's not even on the honorable mentions down below. very interesting. seems like the right call was made.
    Who knows how things play out if he doesn't get hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    He's not even on the honorable mentions down below. very interesting. seems like the right call was made.
    The Braves were able to foresee him blowing up his knee during a home plate collision playing a game in the town of Everett.

    Well done Braves scouting/psychic group!
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