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Last edited by Super; 02-09-2018 at 08:40 AM.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Nobody can predict changes in ISO for young players. Nobody is saying its a definite but to dismiss it as impossible which is essentially what is happening here is mystifying. Albies is not just 'another prospect'.
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Ramirez was 39th in homers but 15th in ISO. He hit a lot of doubles and triples because he has a great idea of the zone and makes great contact. their minors numbers are similar, with ozzie flashing a higher ISO last year than ramirez ever did. they have similar profiles, and ozzie probably plays even better defense, and may run better.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Jaw (02-09-2018)
Why does age matter? Good power is determined by how the league performs as a whole. Why does it matter if he has 'good power' for a 20 year when he's compared to everyone else when determining his WAR?
If you want to suggest Albies can be a somewhat regular 6 WAR player that's fine. But he's going to have to good to plus power to be able to accomplish this. Without that it's going to be hard to do that for a 2B.
Here's the Minor data: Age/League/Iso/OBP-BA. Albies listed first
17 RK FRk .080/.098 ,082/.085
18 A Rk ..074/.149 .058/.036
19 AA/AAA Rk/A- .128/.149 .066/.085
20 AAA A-/A+ .155/.147 .068/.041
Partial Season Major Debut
Ozzie: 224 PA .180 ISO .068 OBP-BA AGE 20, slash line .286/.354/.456
Jose: 234 PA .081 ISO .031 OBP-BA AGE 21, slash line .276/.297/.357
Let's translate: Ozzie played at a higher level than Altuve at every age. At ages 19-20 Ozzie was 2-3 leagues above Altuve and put up comparable, if not better numbers. Looking specifically at age 20 Ozzie put up a slash line of .285/.330/.440 at AAA. Jose, OTOH, put up .301/.357/.448, splitting his season between low and high A.
In his first two full seasons (ages 22 and 23) in MLB, Altuve put up slash lines of .290/.340/.399 and .283/.316/.363. Would anyone here bet against Ozzie bettering those at ages 21 ad 22? I wouldn't. Altuve had a normal power surge at ages 24 and 25, but didn't really blow up until ages 26 and 27.
Thethe is correct is his evaluation.
The point was the ISO wasn't carried by a bunch of HRs, but by gap power and ramirez running well and turning lesser hits into greater ones. i don't think anything extraordinary has to happen for ozzie to become that kind of all around player, especially for just a couple of seasons.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Ozzie's power has already spiked considerably from what it was even this time last year. And he was 20 all last season, and will be 21 all this season.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Go back and look at Ramirez in the minors. NOTHING in those numbers, nor his MLB numbers from ages 21-23 suggests he would put up the ridiculous numbers he put up at age 24. Compare HoRam and Ozzie at every age and you will see that Ozzie is trending on a higher track. Will he go nuclear like Ramirez did at age 24, or Altuve at ages 26 and 27? I don't know, and I'm not predicting he will. But comparable age numbers do matter.
Jaw (02-09-2018)