Page 33 of 35 FirstFirst ... 233132333435 LastLast
Results 641 to 660 of 684

Thread: The 2018 Midterms

  1. #641
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,433
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I don't know what else to say. The government is forcing a person to adhere to non scientific language.

    I don't agree with it. I don't agree when schools suspend students for not saying the pledge of allegiance. I wouldn't agree with a school in Texas forcing it's teachers to wear a MAGA hat.

    I don't agree with the state coercing us into state-approved speech.

    Apparently you do. I wish I were surprised
    I think in this particular case the rules the state is promulgating for its employees are reasonable. My guess is they would probably pass legal muster as well. And your views on what is scientific and not scientific are not exactly the received wisdom on these matters.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  2. #642
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    I’d like you to expound in this a little.
    The kid is a biological female.

    In our language, we refer to females as she/her.

    So, the teacher decided he didn't want to call a biological female a biological male.

    One would think the party of science would agree.

    Either way, i now understand that you are support the state coercing speech or pay the consequences.

    Apologies for bringing this up. I know this doesn't meet the chopcountry-worthy discussion criteria julio has set.

  3. #643
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    I think in this particular case the rules the state is promulgating for its employees are reasonable. My guess is they would probably pass legal muster as well. And your views on what is scientific and not scientific are not exactly the received wisdom on these matters.
    Is it fair to assume then, that you would support a hypothetical school forcing its teachers to wear MAGA hats?

  4. #644
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,433
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Is it fair to assume then, that you would support a hypothetical school forcing its teachers to wear MAGA hats?
    you've topped yourself in terms of obtuseness

  5. #645
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    you've topped yourself in terms of obtuseness
    I'm extending your logic to show why it's wrong.

    Just as it would be wrong to make a teacher where a MAGA hat, it's wrong to make a teacher say something he/she doesn't believe in.

    That is what is happening here. You are defending this lunacy

  6. #646
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I'm extending your logic to show why it's wrong.

    Just as it would be wrong to make a teacher where a MAGA hat, it's wrong to make a teacher say something he/she doesn't believe in.

    That is what is happening here. You are defending this lunacy
    I had a high school chemistry teacher who was a young-earth creationist. I had an AP American History teacher who was an out-and-out Confederate apologist and a supporter of the League of the South.

    I think we covered this ground years ago in the discussion of the county clerk in Kentucky who refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Your personal beliefs are likely to be to some degree—depending on jurisdiction—subordinated to your obligation to your employer, if you wish to retain employment. If your employer is the state, there tends to be a greater burden. You have rights in this area (in that case the RFRA was one of the wellsprings) depending on the circumstances, but it’s not carte blanche, and that’s probably a good thing, on balance.

    A MAGA hat is a poor analogy, as that’s pretty clearly going to run afoul of any number of statutes.

    Do you think that, in a public school classroom, you shouldn’t have to say anything you don’t believe? What if you believe that rape should be legal or that libertarians should euthanized? Should you be able to be “forced” to contradict your beliefs?

  7. #647
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    I'm not sure if you've read the story... but the school is firing him because he's avoiding using a pronoun.

    He's not intentionally using the wrong pronoun. He's avoiding pronouns altogether. This made the student upset.

    The state is forcing him to use language which is frankly imaginary and non-scientific. It would be like the state forcing a teacher to say that dinosaurs never existed, or else would be fired. I'm guessing you'd have a problem with that.

    When you're done ignoring all the above, take a step back and contemplate the fact that we're discussing the firing of a (by all accounts) upstanding and highly respected person because of the use of PRONOUNS

    This is where we are now... arguing and firing people about pronouns.

    That's progress, I guess.

  8. #648
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,433
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    PRONOUNS!!!

    the new rallying cry of the lioness left...truly they have lost their mind

  9. #649
    It's OVER 5,000! cajunrevenge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    uranus
    Posts
    25,148
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    4,485
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3,792
    Thanked in
    2,710 Posts
    We have all these things kids arent allowed to do because they are deemed not mentally developed enough but apparently they are wise and mature enough to change their gender.......



    I dont have an issue with firing the teacher on the surface. Where you work is voluntary. If you dont agree with the policy and rules then go work somewhere else. I would guess this teacher started before this was a policy in which case I believe the school has an obligation to give the teacher a reasonable time period to seek employment somewhere else. I dont know based on the information I have found whether that happened or not. When I was a delivery driver we had a mandatory meeting where we were told in two weeks they were significantly cutting our pay. 2 weeks is bull****. We saw it as a deliberate attempt to force us into the new pay structure by not giving us time to get another job. What we did was when the new pay structure came into effect we went into work and refused to take deliveries citing that was not the rate we were hired under. When customers called back to see why they werent getting their deliveries we told them why. When the District Manager came by we quit before he could fire us and told him we were returning the favor they did to us. Cost them around 40,000 dollars in lost sales before they got fully staffed. The day after we quit they started using District Managers and Area Coaches to deliver at that store so I ordered the a 45$ order online for cash and refused to answer the door when the driver came by to waste as much of their time as possible.
    "Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.

    It’s over."


    Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.

  10. #650
    It's OVER 5,000! cajunrevenge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    uranus
    Posts
    25,148
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    4,485
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3,792
    Thanked in
    2,710 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    PRONOUNS!!!

    the new rallying cry of the lioness left...truly they have lost their mind

    Just wait, eventually they will try and make calling someone the "wrong" pronoun an act of violence and/or a hate crime.
    "Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.

    It’s over."


    Little Thethe Nov 19, 2020.

  11. #651
    I <3 Ron Paul + gilesfan sturg33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    52,587
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,018
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    8,096
    Thanked in
    5,758 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Just wait, eventually they will try and make calling someone the "wrong" pronoun an act of violence and/or a hate crime.
    I think we're already there

  12. #652
    A Chip Off the Old Rock Julio3000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,038
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    6,273
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    9,790
    Thanked in
    5,155 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I'm not sure if you've read the story... but the school is firing him because he's avoiding using a pronoun.

    He's not intentionally using the wrong pronoun. He's avoiding pronouns altogether. This made the student upset.

    The state is forcing him to use language which is frankly imaginary and non-scientific. It would be like the state forcing a teacher to say that dinosaurs never existed, or else would be fired. I'm guessing you'd have a problem with that.

    When you're done ignoring all the above, take a step back and contemplate the fact that we're discussing the firing of a (by all accounts) upstanding and highly respected person because of the use of PRONOUNS

    This is where we are now... arguing and firing people about pronouns.

    That's progress, I guess.
    I think we’ve been down this road before, but nevertheless. Pronouns aren’t science. I doubt that scientists who study the biology of sexuality would be comfortable with your conclusions, and I’m certain that studiers of gender identity would not be. In all the times that we’ve had this dumb conversation, you’ve never gotten over conflating biological sex with gender.

    Misgendering someone is neither brave nor transgressive not even necessarily empirically correct, considering the nature of gender pronouns as a social construct to some degree reflective of societal norms. Societal norms change, and in this case they have, regardless of your acquiescence. So it’s difficult for me to feel sympathy for someone who cannot take a step that costs them literally nothing but may be quite significant to the other party.

  13. #653
    High School Draftee
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Posts
    63
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4
    Thanked in
    3 Posts
    He didn't misgender.

    He just decided he wasn't going to say something that he didn't believe was true.

    I'm not sure why that's controversial... one would think that's admirable.

    But our society today is one I admittedly am having trouble understanding.

    It's weird enough to me that a 9th grader is having gender reassignment surgey, when we know the suicide rate is astronomical for these people yet we seem to encourage people to do it.

    Then we have to tell a teacher to ignore everything he has been taught to accommodate this one specific student... forcing him to use language.

    Then we come here to argue about pronouns bc that's the society we have now.

    Anyhow, I understand what side youre on, just not sure why.

  14. #654
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,433
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    we on the wrong side cuz we lost our minds

  15. #655
    It's OVER 5,000! 57Brave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    22,802
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,682
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1,889
    Thanked in
    1,420 Posts
    " we come here to argue about pronouns" ???
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

  16. #656
    High School Draftee
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Posts
    63
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4
    Thanked in
    3 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    we on the wrong side cuz we lost our minds
    A school teacher lost his job because of pronouns.

    That's a hell of a sentence

  17. #657
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,433
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by smoltzie29 View Post
    A school teacher lost his job because of pronouns.

    That's a hell of a sentence
    his employer has a policy and he chose not to follow it

  18. #658
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,433
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by 57Brave View Post
    " we come here to argue about pronouns" ???
    the fate of western civilization hangs in the balance...apparently

  19. #659
    High School Draftee
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Posts
    63
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    4
    Thanked in
    3 Posts
    I do forget only board approved topics are Russia and illegitimate GOP victories.

    Silly to talk about the state coercing SJW approved speech.

    Carey on

  20. #660
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,433
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,384
    Thanked in
    7,533 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by smoltzie29 View Post
    I do forget only board approved topics are Russia and illegitimate GOP victories.

    Silly to talk about the state coercing SJW approved speech.

    Carey on
    this teacher fellow's free speech has not been abridged...he can say or not say whatever he wants

Similar Threads

  1. GDT: 4/13/2018 Cubs
    By nsacpi in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 354
    Last Post: 04-14-2018, 12:36 PM
  2. What is our 2018 name for this sub going to be?
    By bravesfanMatt in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 11-29-2017, 10:24 AM
  3. 2018 payroll
    By salmagundy in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 10-09-2017, 01:14 PM
  4. Projecting 3B in 2018
    By Enscheff in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 30
    Last Post: 10-02-2017, 09:26 AM
  5. What's the best we could hope for in 2018?
    By sturg33 in forum 2023: Celebrating Our 10th Year Here
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 10-01-2017, 08:36 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •