Gun Violence

[57Brave]

Ken Kesey's birthday, he would be 83 today.

"Coincidence is an element of mystery because it happens so many times. It’s best if you quit arguing with it. It’s more than serendipity. It’s more than coincidence. There’s a sense of intelligence to it. This isn’t just random magic, this is magic for our benefit. Things are arranged with a red line drawn under it saying Pay Attention To This.
Everybody is still paying attention. The kids are paying attention. But they’re paying attention to the wrong thing. They’re paying attention to the loudest noise. If you’re a kid of three or four and your parents are paying attention to television all the time, and you get in front of the television
just when there’s a gun battle going on, the parents will say, ‘Get out of the way!’ The kid is going to say, ‘Look, what do I have to do to get attention?’ And what he does is he goes out and gets a gun and that’s the quickest way in the world to get people’s attention. I think it’s going to be a good long while before we get over television and the gun shows. The Wild West attitude. Let’s kill all the buffalos because we’re white. But we have to get over that attitude or we won’t survive as a nation. We’ll tear each other to pieces."
-- Ken Kesey

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[57Brave]

George Takei
‏Verified account @GeorgeTakei
2h2 hours ago

Trump said that what happened at the synagogue would have been prevented by

an armed guard on site.

And yet the gunman shot three armed police officers.

Let’s stop with the good-guy-with-a-gun fantasy.

Let’s start with getting AR-15s off the market.
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[Krgrecw]

Andrew Weinstein
‏Verified account @Weinsteinlaw
19h19 hours ago

Columbine - 7134 days
Virginia - 4212 days
Aurora - 2294 days
Newtown - 2143 days
Charleston - 1228 days
Umpqua - 1122 days
Pulse - 868 days
Las Vegas - 392 days
Sutherland Springs - 357 days
Parkland - 256 days
Santa Fe - 163 days
Pittsburgh - 1 day

Can we talk about guns now?

More blacks died in one year in Chicago than all of those shootings put together. But you’re white racist Ass never mentions black on black crimes. Do black deaths not mean a thing to you? Are black deaths not as important as white deaths? Why no mention of gun control in the inner cities?

[57Brave]

Shot in the dark here - gun regulation / policy would effect Americans of all colors - religions.

[57Brave]

More blacks died in one year in Chicago than all of those shootings put together. But you’re white racist Ass never mentions black on black crimes. Do black deaths not mean a thing to you? Are black deaths not as important as white deaths? Why no mention of gun control in the inner cities?

If speaking to an African-American on the topic of Gun Regulation I probably would cite Chicago statistics. And perhaps poverty and the fact people of Flint , Michigan dont have drinking water
Speaking to white people I would think they could better relate to shootings that might effect them the most.

Reading your writings for the past few years I find it hard to accept your concerns for the population of inner city Chicago

[Julio3000]

More blacks died in one year in Chicago than all of those shootings put together. But you’re white racist Ass never mentions black on black crimes. Do black deaths not mean a thing to you? Are black deaths not as important as white deaths? Why no mention of gun control in the inner cities?

Hmm. I’ve posted about this, specifically, and though I don’t for a second think you’re saying this in good faith, I’ll reiterate: a huge proportion of the guns used in homicides in Chicago are legally straw-purchased in neighboring communities (many in Indiana) with far more lax purchasing requirements and laundered into Chicago. If you actually give a **** about this (spoiler alert: you don’t) you’d support measures to curtail such practices.

[smoltzie29]

Hmm. I’ve posted about this, specifically, and though I don’t for a second think you’re saying this in good faith, I’ll reiterate: a huge proportion of the guns used in homicides in Chicago are legally straw-purchased in neighboring communities (many in Indiana) with far more lax purchasing requirements and laundered into Chicago. If you actually give a **** about this (spoiler alert: you don’t) you’d support measures to curtail such practices.

Wouldn't that mean the gun homicide rate in Indiana is even higher than in Chicago, then?

Is that what the data says?

[57Brave]

Wouldn't that mean the gun homicide rate in Indiana is even higher than in Chicago, then?

Is that what the data says?

It would be more apples to apples to compare Gary or Indianapolis to Chicago. I'm sure you understand that ~ 85 - 90% ~ of Indiana is rural
As you would find the same difference between Chicago and Illinois or Pennsylvania and Philadelphia

[57Brave]

and I still haven't heard which specific "freedoms" we would lose

[smoltzie29]

It would be more apples to apples to compare Gary or Indianapolis to Chicago. I'm sure you understand that ~ 85 - 90% ~ of Indiana is rural
As you would find the same difference between Chicago and Illinois or Pennsylvania and Philadelphia

I read Julio3000's comment as suggesting that Chicago has a gun violence problem because there is easy access to guns in neighboring states.

That's a big leap in logic and doesn't hold up unless the data from those neighboring states shows a gun homicide rate of equal or more than Chicago.

I personally think Chicago's problem is a very high poverty rate

[57Brave]

Wouldn't that mean the gun homicide rate in Indiana is even higher than in Chicago, then?

Is that what the data says?

found these numbers surprising / interesting

https://www.nwitimes.com/news/nation...a10fc60.html#1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

[57Brave]

In Tallahassee last night a domestic squabble killed two and wounded 5 as a shooter entered a hot yoga studio and did what shooters do.

Put that in your "gotta have data ---- but Chicago" pipe and smoke it

[Krgrecw]

[QUOTE=Julio3000;550043]Hmm. I’ve posted about this, specifically, and though I don’t for a second think you’re saying this in good faith, I’ll reiterate: a huge proportion of the guns used in homicides in Chicago are legally straw-purchased in neighboring communities (many in Indiana) with far more lax purchasing requirements and laundered into Chicago. If you actually give a **** about this (spoiler alert: you don’t) you’d support measures to curtail such practices.[/QUOTE

The majority of those guns used in homicides are stolen not straw-purchased

[Krgrecw]

Wouldn't that mean the gun homicide rate in Indiana is even higher than in Chicago, then?

Is that what the data says?

That’s what the data says but he won’t admit the truth

[Julio3000]

[QUOTE=Krgrecw;550552]

Hmm. I’ve posted about this, specifically, and though I don’t for a second think you’re saying this in good faith, I’ll reiterate: a huge proportion of the guns used in homicides in Chicago are legally straw-purchased in neighboring communities (many in Indiana) with far more lax purchasing requirements and laundered into Chicago. If you actually give a **** about this (spoiler alert: you don’t) you’d support measures to curtail such practices.[/QUOTE

The majority of those guns used in homicides are stolen not straw-purchased

I sincerely doubt that’s the case, given that the nationwide number is about 30%, and an alarming proportion of those are only reported as “stolen” after they’ve been used to commit a crime.

[Julio3000]

I read Julio3000's comment as suggesting that Chicago has a gun violence problem because there is easy access to guns in neighboring states.

That's a big leap in logic and doesn't hold up unless the data from those neighboring states shows a gun homicide rate of equal or more than Chicago.

I personally think Chicago's problem is a very high poverty rate

I have read both of your posts here and am scratching my head as to how you’re coming up with that reading of my post. Whatever the root causes of violent crime in some neighborhoods in Chicago—and poverty is a decent catch-all term, though far from all-encompassing—the fact remains that although it’s relatively harder to legally acquire a gun in Chicago, it’s relatively easier to do so in other places in close proximity (though, in truth, a good number of the guns come from places that are geographically further away but still have lower barriers to ownership). So stipulate that the cause of violence is X—you still can’t ignore the fact that X is aggravated by easy access to guns.

[Hawk]

85% certain smoltzie is thethe

[nsacpi]

85% certain smoltzie is thethe

close but no cigar

[The Chosen One]

85% certain smoltzie is thethe

Leaning towards brule.

Only because brule22, knicks22, telfair12 screen names historically. But he used capitalization so I’m not sure either.