Gun Violence

[57Brave]

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...ga/1872374002/

[Julio3000]

https://fox4kc.com/2018/11/05/regist...iolent-attack/

Licensed gun owner helps save metro mom of three from violent attack

KANSAS CITY, Mo. – The quick actions by a licensed gun owner helped save a woman from a violent attack over the weekend.

Benjamin Seadorf was with his four children on Saturday when he suddenly heard what he described as “blood-curling screams” coming from outside his home near 12th Street and Van Brunt Boulevard.

“She definitely was in fear of her life,” Seadorf said. “She was screaming at the top of her lungs, profusely bawling. She just kept screaming, ‘Help me! Help! Somebody, please help me!’ over and over again."
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“As I get close to the vehicle, I noticed her top's ripped off,” Seadorf said. “No shirt on. Her bras halfway off, and her pants were halfway off because he kept grabbing her.”

Seadorf approached the car with his gun pointed at Williams then told him to get out and down on the ground.

“He put the car in park, and I knew he was going to start to comply, and I wouldn’t have to go any further,” Seadorf said.

Police arrested Williams a short time later. Seadorf said he was shocked no one else in the area tried to intervene.
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Williams faces two counts of domestic assault.

Seadorf said officers thanked him for stopping the attack.

Well that’s one in a row for you, Wild Bill.

[57Brave]

12 in Thousand Oaks, California.

[Jaw]

Well that’s one in a row for you, Wild Bill.

Can't be. The good guy with a gun is just a fantasy.

Also, that isn't the only one of those posted since 57 enlightened us with that tweet. I suppose I could find some website that lists all of these and make a general nuisance of myself by posting them all like some people do with their twitter feed, but I find it unlikely that doing so would make anyone reconsider their party's...I mean, their personal stance on the issue.

[57Brave]

This was a little over two weeks ago.

Here's good guy with a gun data.
The families of last nights 12 (including a good guy with a gun) could not give 2 flips about your idyllic version of freedom
Without ever identifying the freedom gained or lost
I can identify the lives lost --- and what about their freedom to safely go do yoga or go to college night or worship
Let's not for a second dismiss the "good guy with a gun ... " callus response.
Which I sense you are trying to do. Why ? Because you like the policies of the fellow travelers in Congress,White House K Street ?

Shooting in Pittsburgh seems so long ago.



https://abcnews.go.com/US/breaking-n...ry?id=53360480

[cajunrevenge]

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...7y61lKNcclkkT0


Baltimore cops kill a grandpa who refuses to allow his gun to be confiscated. I cant really blame the cops in this particular situation, a protective order was filed and we dont know why or by whom. I have the utmost respect fornpeople who have done nothing wrong dont comply. We wouldnt be a nation if not for "criminals" who stood up to their government.

[57Brave]

[Julio3000]

Can't be. The good guy with a gun is just a fantasy.

Also, that isn't the only one of those posted since 57 enlightened us with that tweet. I suppose I could find some website that lists all of these and make a general nuisance of myself by posting them all like some people do with their twitter feed, but I find it unlikely that doing so would make anyone reconsider their party's...I mean, their personal stance on the issue.

Yeah...I’m probably not moving on that unless you could show me some kind of convincing data that “good guys with guns” somehow outweigh “nitwits with guns.” If you comb through the daily wires, you’ll find the occasional GGWAG story, amidst a raft of accidental shootings, negligent discharges, murders, etc...the sum of which is part of what informs my belief (my personal belief, not my party platform) that the presence of guns makes me and mine less safe.

[Jaw]

Yeah...I’m probably not moving on that unless you could show me some kind of convincing data that “good guys with guns” somehow outweigh “nitwits with guns.” If you comb through the daily wires, you’ll find the occasional GGWAG story, amidst a raft of accidental shootings, negligent discharges, murders, etc...the sum of which is part of what informs my belief (my personal belief, not my party platform) that the presence of guns makes me and mine less safe.

I get it. But I also think a lot of our rights would go way by the wayside if we used the same logic. Speech and voting quickly come to mind. I suppose the bumper stickers are right, "Freedom isn't free."

[Oklahomahawk]

I would have no problem with some "common sense legislation" to help keep guns out of the hands to psychopaths, etc., but I rarely hear than kind, it's usually no guns for anyone or 100 guns each for everyone. Better background checks that help to point out potential mass shooters would be good, and law enforcement actually giving a crap when they are told about someone about to commit a mass shooting would also be nice.

Bottom line to me is that there's no way to collect the 350 million (or however many) guns that are out there now without taking them away from the law abiding only since criminals will spit on any law that doesn't work in their best interests.

Just my opinion though.

[Jaw]

I would have no problem with some "common sense legislation" to help keep guns out of the hands to psychopaths, etc., but I rarely hear than kind, it's usually no guns for anyone or 100 guns each for everyone. Better background checks that help to point out potential mass shooters would be good, and law enforcement actually giving a crap when they are told about someone about to commit a mass shooting would also be nice.

Bottom line to me is that there's no way to collect the 350 million (or however many) guns that are out there now without taking them away from the law abiding only since criminals will spit on any law that doesn't work in their best interests.

Just my opinion though.

The federal law enforcement actually fulfilling their end of the background check process would be an improvement. Lots of these checks are going unanswered, resulting in the buyer being able to make the purchase.

[Oklahomahawk]

The federal law enforcement actually fulfilling their end of the background check process would be an improvement. Lots of these checks are going unanswered, resulting in the buyer being able to make the purchase.

What was that documentary (I guess that's what it was) a while back that showed some of the tens of thousands of rape kits sitting in police custody waiting to be processed? Can you imagine being one of those victims waiting for justice while the rapists are out there doing it to other victims?

[nsacpi]

Yeah...I’m probably not moving on that unless you could show me some kind of convincing data that “good guys with guns” somehow outweigh “nitwits with guns.” If you comb through the daily wires, you’ll find the occasional GGWAG story, amidst a raft of accidental shootings, negligent discharges, murders, etc...the sum of which is part of what informs my belief (my personal belief, not my party platform) that the presence of guns makes me and mine less safe.

A while back I posted a scatter plot of data on gun deaths per capita versus guns owned per capita by state. Partly due to poor formatting, it did not seem to make much of an impression. I wanted to come back to this and give gun deaths per capita for the five states where guns owned is highest and the five where it is lowest.

Highest: 13.7 gun deaths per 100,000 population

Lowest: 6.1 gun deaths per 100,000 population

Of course, its much lower in other countries with lower gun ownership. But some have argued this may be due to cultural differences. There are cultural and other differences across states as well. But presumably less than across countries.

I think between the international comparisons and the inter-state comparisons, the data are pretty convincing.

[57Brave]

Chicago Hospital
Domestic Violence
Good guy with a gun shot dead by another with a gun


Shot being the operative word

[57Brave]

[57Brave]

TIme is a funny thing:

Perhaps the PArkland Kids that were lambasted on Fox and on this forum had it right and you (you know who you are) had it wrong !!!!


Rainbow Rowell
‏Verified account @rainbowrowell
17h17 hours ago

Russia aggressively used social media to confuse Americans

and pit us against each other during the 2016 election.

They promoted guns and the GOP.

It's deeply, deeply upsetting.
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[sturg33]

Just an embarrassing argument. Gun laws like this impact women more than anything. See rape culture happening in Europe...

He deleted it and then said he didn't mean to say exactly what he said 6 times

[Krgrecw]

He deleted it and then said he didn't mean to say exactly what he said 6 times

You see the girl who wrote the original story responded to Zach fords tweet?

[57Brave]

Imagine the good to come from background checks and a 3 day waiting period

MAGA

[57Brave]

wouldn't it stand to reason we track ownership of motorized vehicles being able to trace them from off the assembly line. But not weapons

who profited from the sale(s) of this weapon that needlessly took this mans life ?