Gun Violence

[Jaw]

So is this graph based on murders or murders per capita?

Murders. That puts the small sample size qualifier on the rural counties I suppose.

[nsacpi]

It is not all in the distant past. I came to this country in the early 1970s. At the end of fifth grade, there was a meeting between my teacher and the four African American kids in my class. The teacher looked upset. The kids were upset. Some of them were crying. I asked one of them what happened and he didn't want to talk about it. None of them were back at our school for sixth grade. It's a shame that these kids had to go through that.

[nsacpi]

Murders. That puts the small sample size qualifier on the rural counties I suppose.

I would add if its a small town or county, 1 year of data is problematic. If you have 1 murder it makes you look like the murder capital of America. So for smaller jurisdictions you want several years of data (and of course the murder rate to make comparable across jurisdictions of varying sizes). It's not a big deal if you are looking at state data. Those are fairly stable from year to year.

[sturg33]

To repeat my prior post, there are forces that have caused single parent households to rise across pretty much all demographic groups.

And forces that have caused single mother births to be higher among African Americans than other groups for quite a long time now. I would argue at least some of that reflects racism and discrimination past and present. The legacy of slavery and denial of rights and opportunities long after slavery was legally abolished has a long tail.

Yes... all races have risen, but NOTHING like black families... repeat, nearly 4/5 babies are born to single mothers.

Our society and feminism and tax code has incentivized this. They celebrate it. They encourage it.

And you the propaganda of BLM saying the nuclear family is systemically racist doesn't help things.

But as we know, they don't want to help people. Their policies ALWAYS make things worse. And guess what... our country is not more racist today than it was 50 years ago... so you can connect the dots. But the massive amount of AA crime is contributed to upbringing more than anything... and that upbringing has been made worse as racial relations has gotten SUBSTANTIALLY better

I know you are all agenda these days... but you can't deny this. IIWII

[Jaw]

Statistically significant correlation does allow for observations that fall some distance from the average fit.

And in this case, each of those observations happens to be in a predominantly rural and white state with far greater than average levels of gun ownership and far lower than average rates of African American population.

We could look to poverty as well, but the rural and reservation populations would prove it to be a poorer indicator than race.

[nsacpi]

And in this case, each of those observations happens to be in a predominantly rural and white state with far greater than average levels of gun ownership and far lower than average rates of African American population.

We could look to poverty as well, but the rural and reservation populations would prove it to be a poorer indicator than race.

I think there are many variables at work. Some easier to work on than others. I do think finding ways to reduce poverty pays off on so many levels (including crime, violence and racial conflict) that it should always be at the top of our policy agenda.

[Tapate50]

I think there are many variables at work. Some easier to work on than others. I do think finding ways to reduce poverty pays off on so many levels (including crime, violence and racial conflict) that it should always be at the top of our policy agenda.

If you wanted to truly end poverty- you would give the folks on government assistance an end point. How would that fare?

You have 10 years, the clock is ticking. We will pay for your school/trade training but there is a end point.

[nsacpi]

If you wanted to truly end poverty- you would give the folks on government assistance an end point. How would that fare?

You have 10 years, the clock is ticking. We will pay for your school/trade training but there is a end point.

I think we need design policies to minimize bad incentives. That's the general principle. Devil's always in the details.

[Jaw]

If you wanted to truly end poverty- you would give the folks on government assistance an end point. How would that fare?

You have 10 years, the clock is ticking. We will pay for your school/trade training but there is a end point.

Everything should be short term. It's about helping people up, not carrying them the whole way. But that won't win elections and is why we are a country in terminal decline.

[goldfly]

Yeah that county map makes a whole lot more sense

it's a map of where people live vs don't really live lol

[Tapate50]

it's a map of where people live vs don't really live lol

IDK that 400 corridor looks pretty quiet.

[thethe]

Everything should be short term. It's about helping people up, not carrying them the whole way. But that won't win elections and is why we are a country in terminal decline.

Doesn’t have to be.

The movement to take over the school boards is definitely a positive for the future. We just need one or two generations of proper education and we can break this downward spiral we are on.

[Tapate50]

It doesn't hold up well in Utah, Montana, Idaho, etc

You'd think for big science and data folks these graphs would be helpful.

[goldfly]

Doesn’t have to be.

The movement to take over the school boards is definitely a positive for the future. We just need one or two generations of proper education and we can break this downward spiral we are on.

the face of your party just found out the holocaust was bad after going to the a museum after comparing wearing a mask to it

[Tapate50]

Everything should be short term. It's about helping people up, not carrying them the whole way. But that won't win elections and is why we are a country in terminal decline.

Right, folks don't vote against their own benefit. Thus, a doomed cycle.

[Jaw]

Doesn’t have to be.

The movement to take over the school boards is definitely a positive for the future. We just need one or two generations of proper education and we can break this downward spiral we are on.

There are already a lot of the brainwashed in tenured, union positions, spreading their disease. Everything from kindergarten to Harvard, Yale, and the military academies.

The rot is too deep. I think it will all have to come down before it can grow straight again, and there are likely a lot of very dark days between here and there.

[thethe]

the face of your party just found out the holocaust was bad after going to the a museum after comparing wearing a mask to it

How can argue with this solid rebuttal?

You win.

[thethe]

There are already a lot of the brainwashed in tenured, union positions, spreading their disease. Everything from kindergarten to Harvard, Yale, and the military academies.

The rot is too deep. I think it will all have to come down before it can grow straight again, and there are likely a lot of very dark days between here and there.

I still have faith man. We are finally pushing hard now. That’s why your take on someone like MTG is confusing. I get not liking her as a person or as a politician but her type of politics is what we need to try and overcome what’s been done to the nation.

Similar with Trump. The messengers aren’t always what we want but they serve an important role.

[Jaw]

I think MTG and Trump hold similar scorn for the voters they campaign to. For all of his faults, Trump was less obvious about it and like it or not, his policy actions were mostly loyal to those people.

MTG seems to be a caricature of what she thinks people she has no understanding of, want. I may be misreading her and doing her a great disservice. If so, she's just crazy.

[striker42]

I think there are many variables at work. Some easier to work on than others. I do think finding ways to reduce poverty pays off on so many levels (including crime, violence and racial conflict) that it should always be at the top of our policy agenda.

This. So many evils can be combated by reducing poverty. Crime, health issues, government spending, you can go on and on and on.