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    Bank of America will no longer lend money to manufacturers of firearms

    like the AR-15, which has been used in multiple mass shootings
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    I support Dick's Sporting Goods position on weaponry.

    What think you ?
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    Waffle house shooter killed 4

    MAGA hat

    AR-15

    Good guy without a gun
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    the shooter is said to be mentally ill
    Duh
    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    http://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/04/2...mpression=true

    Here's a nice little analysis done to prove what many already know. Take away guns and more crime will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    http://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/04/2...mpression=true

    Here's a nice little analysis done to prove what many already know. Take away guns and more crime will happen.
    But see your issue here is the use of data... The left cannot compute

    The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense. This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995)….CDC’s results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals.
    My question for our leftist friends is what do you make of this data? Do you care? Do you not believe it? Do you believe it but still think the random shooting should take away 2.5m Americans right to defend themselves annually?

    Just curious.

    I suspect there won't be much dialogue on this though

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    Probably not
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    You've never been one to be willing or able to discuss facts

    I meant the other smarter folks on the board

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    But see your issue here is the use of data... The left cannot compute



    My question for our leftist friends is what do you make of this data? Do you care? Do you not believe it? Do you believe it but still think the random shooting should take away 2.5m Americans right to defend themselves annually?

    Just curious.

    I suspect there won't be much dialogue on this though
    Well, if you're framing it as preventing "random shootings," you're not really looking for a debate.

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    Guns prevent more crimes then they cause. Good luck being an attractive woman in a world without guns. Heck, good luck being any women in a world without guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Well, if you're framing it as preventing "random shootings," you're not really looking for a debate.
    This is a recurring theme with you now Julio.

    You are skeptical at any argument up front because it doesn't jive with your personal beliefs. You mock the person proposing the argument saying you need to see some data or facts. Those facts and/or data is shown and yet you still dismiss.

    It should be common sense that firearms deter violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    Well, if you're framing it as preventing "random shootings," you're not really looking for a debate.
    I didn't ask for a debate.

    I asked your opinion of the data.

    Unsurprisingly, nobody has stepped up the plate, yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    This is a recurring theme with you now Julio.

    You are skeptical at any argument up front because it doesn't jive with your personal beliefs. You mock the person proposing the argument saying you need to see some data or facts. Those facts and/or data is shown and yet you still dismiss.

    It should be common sense that firearms deter violence.
    I'm not sure that what I said was so offensive. It was based on a simple, and IMO noncontroversial idea: that the point of so-called gun control legislation is not stopping "random shootings." I was commenting on the peculiarity of sturg's framing it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I didn't ask for a debate.

    I asked your opinion of the data.

    Unsurprisingly, nobody has stepped up the plate, yet
    My opinion of Kleck's 1993 data is the same as it has always been, given the obvious problems with the research. I am not sure what to make of the CDC information other than that it's based on a bigger sample (good) but I don't know if the questioning methodology is any more valid. Keck MAY have a point in his contention for undercounting--'cause it's really hard to know--but the fact is that his numbers don't align with extrapolated figures of certain types of crimes committed, ownership rates in certain demographics, etc. So people, intentionally or not, appear to be misreporting either the timing or the facts of their "defensive gun uses."

    Counting these incidents is difficult, and I think a relatively shallow self-reporting survey is likely to overstate them, whereas methodology purely depending on documentation of crimes, etc., is going to understate them.
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    How many crimes have been stopped by a citizen with an AR-15 or similar weapon ?

    I see only a calls (from people that actually have a say in the matter) for background checks and waiting periods being suggested for handguns or hunting rifles/shotguns
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    The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure he doesn’t get a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Guns prevent more crimes then they cause. Good luck being an attractive woman in a world without guns. Heck, good luck being any women in a world without guns.
    Ok, I assume you can show me some numbers that show declining rates of sexual assault in places that have looser C&C restrictions and more gun ownership?

    This should be a layup, right?

    edit: relative to other places that do not, I mean
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    You guys can make an argument for gun ownership that's predicated on individual rights, and that's fine. But you can't simultaneously claim that you want to support that position with data that indicates that it correlates with a safer society, because a fairly robust body of research performed over decades suggests the opposite. I'm not sure I understand the desire to have a data-driven discussion that ignores the wealth of available data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio3000 View Post
    You guys can make an argument for gun ownership that's predicated on individual rights, and that's fine. But you can't simultaneously claim that you want to support that position with data that indicates that it correlates with a safer society, because a fairly robust body of research performed over decades suggests the opposite. I'm not sure I understand the desire to have a data-driven discussion that ignores the wealth of available data.
    That's not true.

    There was plenty of data in the other thread.

    Don't confuse violent crime with gun deaths

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    how did that guy at the waffle house stop a guy with a gun if he didn't have a gun?

    and how does a cop ever get killed if a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    how did that guy at the waffle house stop a guy with a gun if he didn't have a gun?

    and how does a cop ever get killed if a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun?
    Is your contention that the guy wouldn't have been better off with a gun?

    And is it also your contention that cops would be better off without guns?

    I'm certain a real answer won't be forthcoming

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    how did that guy at the waffle house stop a guy with a gun if he didn't have a gun?

    and how does a cop ever get killed if a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun?
    This logic is the equivalent to me saying,

    "How did the guy in Toronto manage to kill a bunch of people when he didn't use a gun?"

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