Gun Violence

[57Brave]

Why didn't shootings like this happen 30 years ago when weapons were more easily accessible?

You are focusing on the wrong things because of your partisan politics.

I first got on board with the broad notion of gun control after Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle through the mail

Within 2 months in 1968 2 political figures were gunned down
A psychopath went to the top of the Univ of Texas picking off people. 1966 I think
Gerald Ford was attacked with guns twice in his short time in office.
After Ronald Reagan was shot we got the Brady Bill
All of those examples are over 30 years ago.



Columbine was in the late 90's as well
I remember in the 90's a mass shooting in a restaurant in San Diego and I am sure if you took the time to read up this isn;t something new to American culture

Suicides due to guns --- take a look at that. And how ...
Just look at that.

You know, if you take poison or try hanging yourself there is a chance you can be found and saved.
Taking poison is a process that required many steps before you pull the proverbial trigger. Make the effort to buy,prepare the poison, find a time and pace to take the poison.
did you know that a high percentage of suicide attempts via poison are unsuccessful?
To hang oneself one must acquire the rope tie the knot, find a support--- it has been found that an interference to an attempted suicide is most often preventative

But going in a closet or drawer and pulling out a weapon, perhaps loading it takes all of seconds
The availability of guns create a phenomena referred to as impulse suicide
It is irreversible


You should read information related to case histories rather than NRA propaganda

[thethe]

I first got on board with the broad notion of gun control after Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle through the mail

Within 2 months in 1968 2 political figures were gunned down
A psychopath went to the top of the Univ of Texas picking off people. 1966 I think
Gerald Ford was attacked with guns twice in his short time in office.
After Ronald Reagan was shot we got the Brady Bill
All of those examples are over 30 years ago.



Columbine was in the late 90's as well
I remember in the 90's a mass shooting in a restaurant in San Diego and I am sure if you took the time to read up this isn;t something new to American culture

Suicides due to guns --- take a look at that. And how ...
Just look at that.

You know, if you take poison or try hanging youseld there is a chance you can be found and saved.
Taking poison is a process that required many steps before you pull the proverbial trigger
To hang oneself one must acquire the rope tie the knot, find a support--- it has been found that then number of interferences to an attmpted suicide is often preventative
But going in a closet or drawer and pulling out a weapon, perhaps loading it takes all of seconds sometimes

You should read information related to case histories rather than NRA propaganda

So what you're saying is that mass shootings are more common now despite there being more strict gun control?

Gotcha...maybe you'll learn from this factoid.

[thethe]

[57Brave]

Granting you the reports of the Dayton shooters politics --- he had a weapon
Whether he bought it,stole it inherited or found it on side the road, he had a weapon.
From all accounts he was unstable

Why and how did he get a weapon.
And suppose there was no weapon

[57Brave]

So what you're saying is that mass shootings are more common now despite there being more strict gun control?

Gotcha...maybe you'll learn from this factoid.

That is not what I said at all

[sturg33]

Focus will be that it was a person with in all likelihood an illness that had access to weapons of war to ease his frustrations.

So not white supremacy?

[thethe]

That is not what I said at all

Read your post again - Thats basically what you did say.

You don't want to admit the inconvenient truth. Mass shootings like this just didn't happen in this frequency prior to the internet even though gun control restrictions were virtually non-existent.

[57Brave]

Michael  ͮ ͑ ͮⓋ  ͮ ͑ ͮ
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@neiltyson
It's not the numbers, Neil. It's that 34 perfectly healthy happy people had their lives
ended while shopping, and enjoying their weekend.

Also we've put as much effort as we
can to prevent the deaths of everything you listed. We've done the opposite with guns.

[thethe]

The availability of guns create a phenomena referred to as impulse suicide
It is irreversible

What is making someone want to take their life is so much more important than what means they have to do it.

You have a small minded way of looking at things that is guided by your radical political beliefs.

[thethe]

Michael  ͮ ͑ ͮⓋ  ͮ ͑ ͮ
@cookmichaelv13
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Replying to
@neiltyson
It's not the numbers, Neil. It's that 34 perfectly healthy happy people had their lives
ended while shopping, and enjoying their weekend.

Also we've put as much effort as we
can to prevent the deaths of everything you listed. We've done the opposite with guns.

And this line of thinking that 'we need more effort into gun control' means banning guns.

Its been the goal for decades and thats why there lacks a sincere care for fixing the issues. Its all about control and getting what you want.

[57Brave]

Read your post again - Thats basically what you did say.

You don't want to admit the inconvenient truth. Mass shootings like this just didn't happen in this frequency prior to the internet even though gun control restrictions were virtually non-existent.

I would argue they became more prevalent once Obama ran for POTUS.
Look at Palin rallies of the 08 campaign.
See the bullseye she put on Gabby Giffords

Look at the rise of militia during the period on 08-16.
Look at gun sales 08-16

[thethe]

I would argue they became more prevalent once Obama ran for POTUS.
Look at Palin rallies of the 08 campaign.
See the bullseye she put on Gabby Giffords

Look at the rise of militia during the period on 08-16.
Look at gun sales 08-16

And again - This further strengthens my point.

You just can't wrap your head around it.

[57Brave]

And this line of thinking that 'we need more effort into gun control' means banning guns.

Its been the goal for decades and thats why there lacks a sincere care for fixing the issues. Its all about control and getting what you want.

you dont understand the difference between "control" and "ban"

I dont know of anyone of consequence that advocates for the banning of guns.
Just like before last month no one of consequence was leading chants of "send her back"

[57Brave]

And again - This further strengthens my point.

You just can't wrap your head around it.

yeah, I have been reading about the need for gun regulation for over 50 years and shoot guns myself
but ...

forget it

[57Brave]

oh yeah, wanted to pass this on

[sturg33]

you dont understand the difference between "control" and "ban"

I dont know of anyone of consequence that advocates for the banning of guns.
Just like before last month no one of consequence was leading chants of "send her back"

Did you read the WAPO article thethe posted?

[sturg33]

I think that’s more likely a function of the fact that such shootings are common enough that we’re fairly desensitized to their occurrence, so unless it’s a high-profile place or a high fatality count, it tends to get lost in the news cycle. This is certainly a sad commentary. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make, but I’d stick with my original statement.

If you dont think the narrative changes based on who is pulling the trigger, then I dont know what to tell you

[Julio3000]

You are attacking the comment as if it is being presented as the sole cause.

Its this type of response that leads the conversation nowhere.

That wasn’t my intent, but it’s what you presented. But I think my issue with the idea is valid regardless.

The conversation is already nowhere.

[thethe]

So many lies about the 'epidemic' in America. Its not American culture. Its so many levels beneath that at the human experience. That is what needs to be studied.

[thethe]

That wasn’t my intent, but it’s what you presented. But I think my issue with the idea is valid regardless.

The conversation is already nowhere.

The conversation is nowhere because the viewpiont from your 'side' is that guns are the overarching reason these are happening. Unfortunately, this could not be further from the truth. We have so many issues that need to be confronted fast because even with gun control these shootings are going to increase. America is headed into a scary time.