Evad (02-19-2018)
Get that guy from Crystal Springs
This board has certainly become enamored with low-OBP options for LF. First it was Duvall, then it was a guy I can't remember right now, and now Renfroe.
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JohnAdcox (02-20-2018)
If you're buying into the "new math", power has to come from somewhere at the expense of something.
Who other than Freeman - and Acuna when he's here for good - does anyone think has a realistic shot at hitting more than 20 bombs in a season? Camargo? Dansby? Flowers?
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clvclv (02-20-2018)
You're right. Getting power for the sake of power is pointless if the guy is a bad defender and doesn't do much else offensively. We literally just had a player like this in Kemp. Now there comes a point where guys like this might make sense if they are averagish and can be role players on the team. Their market value has collapsed for obvious reasons and wouldn't be expensive to acquire. However the Braves currently don't need averagish players in LF or 3B going forward. They need impact players and will have money/prospect capital to get that done.
Well, Renfroe definitely isn't Kemp. He actually has good speed and a killer arm, so it's surprising to me that he isn't at least average defensively. But there is hope there for some improvement, and he does offer you some things, on the bases as well. He's not just power. But he has to hit much better than last year to be worth too much.
clvclv (02-20-2018)
His defensive metrics are truly confusing to me. He has tons of athleticism and good speed for someone his size, and his defense seemed to be really good in college, to the extent that he played some CF. And the scouting reports on him coming out of the minors were that he could provide good value defensively. And his arm is truly special. It's just strange to me that his range seems so limited.
That's kinda the point of taking a shot at a guy like Renfroe or Dickerson for me - assuming the acquisition cost is palatable of course. Both have the type of upside you'd like to see (more than any other corner guys in the organization anyway), so why not take a shot? Maybe they explode and Riley turns into what everyone hopes (whether you're buying him right now or not) and you don't need to go outside the organization again and you can keep all the arms.
Obviously that's best-case scenario and pie-in-the-sky optimism, but what can it hurt for 2018?
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Evad (02-20-2018)
Routes seem like the one thing you can actually improve in regard to defense, no? Seems like it's possible he improves his defensive ability.
Of course, his athleticism will eventually start to drop off even if his routes improve, so he probably won't ever be much out there.
what would you all be willing to give up for Renfroe?
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Sam Freeman. Sims. Blair. Wisler.
SD is looking to push towards competitiveness, so I expect them to be looking for MLB contributors (or very close) in the return for Renfroe. The Braves have some spare arms they could give up. I am not high on Fried or Newk, but I would not trade them for Renfroe...well, maybe I would...but probably not...which means one of those guys is likely fair for Renfroe.
Last edited by Enscheff; 02-20-2018 at 12:28 PM.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg