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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    he's probably not going to hit .424 during the season.
    Of course he'll improve with experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Strasburg, Stanton, Montero, Matusz, Posey, Jennings, Alvarez, Feliz, and Santana rounded out the 2010 top 10, 2009 was a relatively weak class with Wieters, Price, Rasmus, Hanson, Snider, Anderson, Maybin, Bumgarner, and Feliz rounding it out.

    Of course you can look at the list and laugh because Montero, Matusz, Jennings, Alvarez, and Feliz never really shook out. But that's the risk with prospects. Sometimes things derail their career. Heyward was on his way to an amazing career before his horrific face injury. Honestly, if the worst case for Acuna is to have the same value as Heyward, I would flip my ****. On his rookie contract (which will likely be 1 year shorter than Acuna's) Heyward compiled about a 28 fWAR. If we get that from Acuna everyone should be so happy.
    Okay... again... I never said they were that much different... just my perception which doesn't make it right or wrong. Its not really a quantifiable variable... measuring hype of prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Heyward was an all time prospect and followed it up by having one of the best age 20 seasons in history. Not everything needs to be a slight on jhey

    The rookie year was terrific, but everything since was the overly-exaggerated greatness that did not follow. He has gotten to cash some nice paychecks though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knucksie View Post
    The rookie year was nice, but everything since was the overly-exaggerated greatness that did not follow.
    You're right because his 23 fWAR in the following 5 seasons just isn't that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    You're right because his 23 fWAR in the following 5 seasons just isn't that good.
    Good or not good, does anybody honestly believe Theo doesn't wish he had that contract back???
    Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...

    Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Good or not good, does anybody honestly believe Theo doesn't wish he had that contract back???
    Troll troll troll troll troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Good or not good, does anybody honestly believe Theo doesn't wish he had that contract back???
    Ok. Is anybody going to argue against that? Heyward was an uber prospect that generated 28 WAR in his pre-FA years. We should be ecstatic if Acuna or anyone else is a 4-5 WAR player in their pre-FA days in Atlanta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Troll troll troll troll troll
    why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zitothebrave View Post
    Heyward was the number 1 prospect at 20, Acuna the number 1 at 20. There is a bit of a difference between the 2 of them, but both were incredibly high rated prospects. Heyward was a legit 5 tool prospect.

    Difference was the year before top. 2017 he was 67 on BA and 31 on BP. Conversely though Heyward in 08 was 28 and 36 respectively. 2009 he was 5 and 10 and then 2010 he was 1 and 2.
    It's more so the eye test.

    Acuna looks like a HOF level player, he just makes the game look so easy for someone his age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    It's more so the eye test.

    Acuna looks like a HOF level player, he just makes the game look so easy for someone his age.
    Said the exact same thing about Heyward

    https://www.si.com/more-sports/2009/09/16/jason-heyward

    "Heyward has lightning-quick bat speed, his defense and arm strength are above-average, he runs well, and at 6-foot-4, 225 pounds he could still grow more. He's been compared to Dave Parker, Willie McCovey, Fred McGriff and ... you get the drift."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    why?
    Because the discussion isn’t regarding Heyward as a Cub. It was from the beginning up until clv’s post about he as a prospect and early career. The only point to bringing up the contract is to rile up JHey stans, hence me calling that post trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Good or not good, does anybody honestly believe Theo doesn't wish he had that contract back???
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Ok. Is anybody going to argue against that? Heyward was an uber prospect that generated 28 WAR in his pre-FA years. We should be ecstatic if Acuna or anyone else is a 4-5 WAR player in their pre-FA days in Atlanta.
    Yeah, if Acuna has Heyward's pre-FA years you can't be mad. Especially since we'll have one more under control. If we can get 30+ fWAR from Acuna I'll be super happy. If he's even better than that I'll be ecstatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chop2chip View Post
    Because the discussion isn’t regarding Heyward as a Cub. It was from the beginning up until clv’s post about he as a prospect and early career. The only point to bringing up the contract is to rile up JHey stans, hence me calling that post trolling.
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    Acuna has officially been sent down to minor league camp
    Get off my lawn!

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    Acuna has been sent to minor league camp.

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    I’m genuinely eager to see what rationale the Braves cite. Like, I’m sincerely looking forward to it.

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    Smart move.

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    Heyward was one of the most hyped prospects ever. Acuna is being hyped, as all #1 prospects are, but he won't ever be able to surpass Heyward's hype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadduxFanII View Post
    I’m genuinely eager to see what rationale the Braves cite. Like, I’m sincerely looking forward to it.
    Do they have to provide a rationale? I wouldn't comment on it if I were them.

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