Economics Thread

[thethe]

The article proved it didn't cut down on the rate of crime. Since that's a pretty big reason for a wall, that's pretty relevant.

These "natural boundaries" are BS. There is nothing to prevent people from crossing rivers/mountains/canyons. Not to mention, the government will have to seize private land, even Native American reservations, in order to make this work. For someone that claims to be small government anti-socialism, you sure support are pretty friggin huge government and socialist endeavor. But oh, it's "protection for the people" so it's ok. Like universal healthcare isn't protecting the people...

The type of crime changed from your article and the type that replaced the car smuggling was at a smaller scale and easier to control. Plus the wall in Israel was never intended to stop car smuggling which is a pretty big fact that of course you will gloss over.

How is this a huge government endeavor? Can you please compare the cost to what medicare for alls bill would look like?

No, people can cross more deadly terrain if you want but the deterrent is much stronger and over time there can be additional structures built to prevent it.

The wall will work and that is why many do not want it because on both the socialists and conservatives they have their reasons for illegals to keep flowing into the country.

[Carp]

The type of crime changed from your article and the type that replaced the car smuggling was at a smaller scale and easier to control. Plus the wall in Israel was never intended to stop car smuggling which is a pretty big fact that of course you will gloss over.

How is this a huge government endeavor? Can you please compare the cost to what medicare for alls bill would look like?

No, people can cross more deadly terrain if you want but the deterrent is much stronger and over time there can be additional structures built to prevent it.

The wall will work and that is why many do not want it because on both the socialists and conservatives they have their reasons for illegals to keep flowing into the country.

I'm saying it's big government, not the endeavor itself is huge.

The wall won't work. It will be a $30+ billion eyesore that will disrupt ecosystems and have zero affect on illegal immigration. Money would be better served on manpower and modern technology to patrol the border.

[thethe]

I'm saying it's big government, not the endeavor itself is huge.

The wall won't work. It will be a $30+ billion eyesore that will disrupt ecosystems and have zero affect on illegal immigration. Money would be better served on manpower and modern technology to patrol the border.

There is physically no way to 'man' the border. That is a terrible talking point which further strengthens the case to build a physical barrier.

Modern Technology? You want to talk about an endless bill? Now thats government spending.

[Carp]

Also, over time medicare for all will cost taxpayers less. You do realize even with these trillion dollar numbers being thrown around, we already spend over 3 trillion per year on healthcare, correct?

[thethe]

Also, over time medicare for all will cost taxpayers less. You do realize even with these trillion dollar numbers being thrown around, we already spend over 3 trillion per year on healthcare, correct?

Thats what happens when government gets involved. Even more of a reasons to get them out of the sector.

[Carp]

Thats what happens when government gets involved. Even more of a reasons to get them out of the sector.

Except that every other developed country with Universal Healthcare spends half the amount we do per capita.

[thethe]

Except that every other developed country with Universal Healthcare spends half the amount we do per capita.

And the level of care they get is well documented to be much worse. They also have smaller populations without rampant illegal migration which jack up ER bills.

But hey, same thing.

[Krgrecw]

When did Carp become such a liberal?

[thethe]

When did Carp become such a liberal?

He is a never trumper.

Its fine - They have abandoned all of their principles because Orange Man Bad. They believed the fake new media and the Obama admin holdovers that outright lied to the American people and caused the most divisive time in our countries history since the civil war.

[Carp]

And the level of care they get is well documented to be much worse. They also have smaller populations without rampant illegal migration which jack up ER bills.

But hey, same thing.

This is false. Life expectancy is actually higher in pretty much all of these countries. Also, these numbers are per capita, so smaller populations have no factor on that.

[thethe]

This is false. Life expectancy is actually higher in pretty much all of these countries. Also, these numbers are per capita, so smaller populations have no factor on that.

Smaller populations have an impact on per capita as well because when you have overcrowding the cost per patient increases.

Life expectancy also does not tell a story on level of care received. Not even sure why you brought up that counterpoint honestly.

[Carp]

Smaller populations have an impact on per capita as well because when you have overcrowding the cost per patient increases.

Life expectancy also does not tell a story on level of care received. Not even sure why you brought up that counterpoint honestly.

So somehow they are receiving significantly worse care, but they are living longer.... yes makes total sense.

[thethe]

So somehow they are receiving significantly worse care, but they are living longer.... yes makes total sense.

It does when you realize that life expectancy is dependent on a myriad of factors.

[Krgrecw]

So somehow they are receiving significantly worse care, but they are living longer.... yes makes total sense.

People are living longer all throughout the world and not just in countries with free healthcare.

[Carp]

It does when you realize that life expectancy is dependent on a myriad of factors.

Sure, but if they were receiving significantly worse healthcare as you state, those numbers would reflect that.

Nevermind the fact that you don't have any actual proof that they receive significantly worse healthcare,

[nsacpi]

People are living longer all throughout the world and not just in countries with free healthcare.

life expectancy has been falling in this country

[thethe]

life expectancy has been falling in this country

Thank China and Mexico for that

[nsacpi]

Thank China and Mexico for that

gotta blame someone

[thethe]

gotta blame someone

Yeah the real culprits smuggling in fentanyl is probably a good start wouldnt you say?

Care to comment on FISA abuse or will you just ignore how wrong you've been for years?

[goldfly]

carp isn't a liberal

you have become so far right and part of the cult, anyone that doesn't believe everything you drank the kool aid for is a liberal to you


people still thinking our medical system is great and europe etc is bad lol



this whole thread is being used by thethe to hope prove that people are better off now and to overlook all the corruption and crimes for a few pieces of silver.