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    Peter Navarro's transformation from Globalist to Protectionist, in his own words:

    https://www.axios.com/peter-navarro-...6cab63098.html

    At what point and why did you change your view on the impact of tariffs on consumers?

    "By the time I published Death By China in 2011, I had come to realize that the typical economic model to measure the costs and benefits of with tariffs failed to properly analyze the complete problem. The typical approach is to assert that the market is free, impose a tariff, observe a rise in price and a fall in quantity, calculate an efficiency loss (known as the 'deadweight loss') associated with a misallocation of resources, and declare tariffs to be 'bad.' One obvious problem with this approach is that it ignores that the starting point of the analysis is typically a market highly distorted by unfair subsidies which is far from the optimal outcome. On this basis alone, a tariff can move the market towards a more efficient solution. The bigger problem is that the traditional approach to evaluating tariffs ignores the external costs or 'negative externalities' associated with unfair trade.
    When China, for example, dumps heavily subsidized products into the U.S., it leads to a loss of factories and jobs and a diminished defense industrial base. China’s unfair trade practices can also put downward pressure on wages and result in a U.S. tax base lower than it would otherwise be. Some of the more enlightened economists also now recognize that unfair trade also imposes heavy socioeconomic costs in the forms of higher crime, divorce rates, drug use, and suicide rates. None of this was evident to me in 1984 when I wrote the Policy Game, and it would take China’s non-market economy industrial policies to underscore the failures of the traditional tariff analysis."



    I'm not sure how the negative impact of replacing manufacturing jobs with service industry jobs is not readily apparent to everyone, but there ya go.
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    Where ya been Jaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Where ya been Jaw
    I don't like myself when I become argumentative so I stepped out. I pop in occasionally and drop something if I find it interesting but I'm not going down the debate path again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaw View Post
    I don't like myself when I become argumentative so I stepped out. I pop in occasionally and drop something if I find it interesting but I'm not going down the debate path again.
    Well getting a called a racist every 5 min does get tireaome

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Well getting a called a racist every 5 min does get tireaome

    It’s the only tactic they have left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krgrecw View Post
    It’s the only tactic they have left.
    Seems hawk and thethe have given up also. I'm getting tired of bickering with a bunch of intolerant emotionalism as well.

    The left is pretty good at silencing conservative opinions, I'd say

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    No one is going to change any opinions here. That makes the cost/benefit analysis pretty easy to calculate.
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    can we agree to shelve 2 arguments. "it's racist" and "But Obama"?
    "Donald Trump will serve a second term as president of the United States.

    It’s over."


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    We can always have 57, Goldy and Runnin echo chamber each other. Would be hilarious to read their constant snowflaking and Trump bashing when no one will actually respond.

    I guess Sturg is the last. Turn the lights out after you done showing the true nature of the butt hurt when they look in the mirror and see the maniacal Orangutan wink at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Saw that the cost estimate to the state rose from 3B to 4.5B. I don't know if that 2043 break-even date is based on the former or the latter. Frankly, there's no real reason to have confidence that thing will even be operating in 2043.

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    This should at least make the leftists happy... But not good for the long term health of the economy


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    LOL. If we abolish profit, businesses will still work very hard to make money to allow the government to confiscate it all so we can pay for all the free stuff for everyone


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    By the way, that new Dem congresswoman nominee is a dues paying member of that group lol

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    Meanwhile, government decides to hike taxes 500% on better services like Uber in favor of subsidizing their failure with the metro system


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    I'm not really sure I'm taking away the same thing the author is here. In one breath he says:

    "In essence D.C. has opted to tax the transportation services people actually use in an attempt to shore up one that people don't."

    and in another breath he says that the Metro system has 600,000 daily rides. Now, there doesn't seem to be daily ride data broken down by city, but if you note that Uber is doing <300,00 rides per day in NYC, which is MUCH larger than the DC metro area, you can see why that claim is a head scratcher. It's more than that: it's rank horse****.

    In the article it says that Metro ridership is down because of poor infrastructure, etc, and that it's using old infrastructure to serve a larger community than it was designed for. How are we to take from that the idea that private rideshare should be considered a viable substitute for public transit?

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    Metro ridership has been down yearly now for a while.

    The train is a joke and people don't want to take it. My own personal experience is that me or my firenda haven't used it in years bc rideshare is more convenient and cost effective.

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    How old is that system ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Not a huge Stossel fan but bravo to him on this one. I don't guess my opinion of SW being one of the worst scumbags in the country has been too well hidden but just in case..

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    No one interested in the "abolish profits" that Oscario Cortez endorses?

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