Federal debt as % of GDP: 86% in 1950, 129% in 2020
Federal debt as % of GDP: 86% in 1950, 129% in 2020
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Consolidation of wealth figures?
Natural Immunity Croc
Data on debt service burden (debt payments as a % of income) for American households. Doesn't go back to the 1950s.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TDSP
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
https://aswathdamodaran.blogspot.com...-ever.html?m=1
^ Good takedown of the billionaire tax scheme
You could easily quell his concerns by treating unrealized gains not as a function of just stock ownership but control.
If you own stock in the company you control then you could potentially get a deferral on a sale event.
The argument being made is yet another what I consider to be weak attempt to allow wealth inequality to not only continue but become even larger.
All it talks about is the negative for the poor billionaire with no consideration to what wealth inequality is doing to the rest of the nation.
Natural Immunity Croc
You can easily write it so its just addressing holders and not owners as well as households that can manage the liquidity issues that were mentioned.
If you think that rising inequality is good for the stability of the nation then we are just going to disagree.
You'll say its the Feds fault and mostly I would agree but its the same circle of people that have gamed the system since the advent of the stock market.
Natural Immunity Croc
Jaw (10-26-2021)
It is the feds fault. 100%, no other explanation necessary.
And if you think this stops at the billionaires, then I will point you to the creation of the income tax in 1913.
This is just another way to create a mass slave class... Stop being in favor of the government getting MORE private stuff from citizens
Jaw (10-26-2021)
Cant disagree. Its like a toddler, once you stand firm they learn to operate within the set parameters. We do that with a budget, and you'd be shocked at the "room" that could be created with dead weight spending.
Thing is - we are gonna have to have a candidate come in there and be the bad guy.
Ivermectin Man
You seem to understand that the government is horrific at everything, and you are calling for them to take more money to more horrific things. And you blindly trust that they will only stop at billionaires.
I got news for you... billionaires ain't going to pay for these deficits... everyone is gonna need to be taxed into oblivion to get us out of this debt
"I can't fix my life, but I can fix the world" said the socialist
You are looking at the government as it functions now.
I'm for term limits for congress so we don't have career politicians working hand in hand with special interests. I'm for congressmen not allowed to take positions in industries that they are responsible for oversight during their time in office.
Your default that the private billionaire cares about the everyday person of the health of the nation (which is the single most important thing) is clouding your judgement on what the best path forward is.
The billionaire class showed exactly what they thought of America the past twenty years.
Natural Immunity Croc
I don't think the billionaire's care about anybody but themselves.
It's why they aren't throwing a fit about this proposed legislation. They know it's the plebs that will suffer... this is yet another attempt to make it impossible for a middle class or poor person to make it in this country on their own
"I can't fix my life, but I can fix the world" said the socialist
See thats the thing.
The idea would be that this legislation would have a phase out where people less than a certain threshold would not be impacted.
I'm not for unrealized gains being taxed for households less than 5m net worth or lets say 1m income in a year.
I'd then need to understand what coverage those thresholds have and adjust upwards if necessary.
So in a situation where only the the top 1% (or even 1% of the 1%) are impacted then what is your beef with the proposed legislation because saying that this suppresses poor and middle class is confusing.
If anything creating more liquidity in the market would be a good thing for the beginning entrants because market cap would go down for sure but it would also introduce more investors into the market.
Natural Immunity Croc
You're out of your mind on this one.
Let's say my Bitcoin takes me over $5M in net worth... but I never sell it. You're saying I've to come up with over a $m in cash to hand over to the IRS. So I'm forced to sell just to get some cash. Then what if it crashes, as it tends to do? I just paid a bunch of money for gains I do not have
Or, what it goes back up to $5M again... I have another multi million tax bill. But the more likely scenario is the asset crashes because everyone would have to sell a huge chunk just to pay the damn bill.
What if my house appreciates? What if all my cash is in my house? Do I have to sell my house to pay the tax bill? How is that good for me? Or the country?
"I can't fix my life, but I can fix the world" said the socialist
Because you think it’s going to be limited to a set number/group of people which it won’t be.
How do you tax unrealized gains without allowing for unrealized loses?