Economics Thread

[chop2chip]

Lol

The price for homes just went by $10,000. Congrats to those who already own a home as you’ll be paying more in property tax once your local taxing authority accounts for this in the appraisal.

[chop2chip]

If you want more people to buy homes, then you need to build more homes.

[thethe]

If you want homes to be more affordable you need to end illegal migration.

[nsacpi]

The price for homes just went by $10,000. Congrats to those who already own a home as you’ll be paying more in property tax once your local taxing authority accounts for this in the appraisal.

eh...it is a basic result of micro that subsidy and tax incidence depends on relative elasticities

[Tapate50]

Just to appease the dolts.

Tokens for the machine

[acesfull86]

It's dumb enough to work on a certain segment of the population

Perhaps. Or maybe it’s a brilliant idea and we lack the ability to see what can be, unburdened by what has been.

[Tapate50]

Perhaps. Or maybe it’s a brilliant idea and we lack the ability to see what can be, unburdened by what has been.

Lol

[chop2chip]

eh...it is a basic result of micro that subsidy and tax incidence depends on relative elasticities

Demand is elastic for buying home, no?

[nsacpi]

Demand is elastic for buying home, no?

in the short-run demand is probably more elastic...in the long run supply

a better designed subsidy would focus directly on adding to supply rather than on sales of starter homes

even better would be for state and local governments to simplify permitting and make it less costly to add to supply...but that runs into nimby

[nsacpi]

Economists in the Biden administration are calling for more aggressive federal action to drive down costs for home buyers and renters, taking aim at one of the biggest economic challenges facing President Biden as he runs for re-election.

The policy proposals in a White House report being released on Thursday include what could be an aggressive federal intervention in local politics, which often dictates where homes are built and who can occupy them. The administration is backing a plan to pressure cities and other localities to relax zoning restrictions that in many cases hinder affordable housing construction.

That recommendation is part of a new administration deep dive into a housing crisis, decades in the making, that is hindering the president’s chances for a second term. The proposals, included in the annual Economic Report of the President, could serve as a blueprint for a major housing push if Mr. Biden wins a second term.

The report includes a suite of moves meant to reduce the cost of renting or buying a home, while encouraging local governments to change zoning laws to allow development of more affordable housing.

“It’s really hard to make a difference in this space, in this affordable housing space, without tackling land use regulations,” Jared Bernstein, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said in an interview.

Mr. Bernstein added that administration officials believed many local leaders were encouraging a bigger federal role in zoning reform — which can help override objections from local groups that oppose development. “I feel like we’re kicking through more of an open door now than we ever have before,” he said.

The report is full of statistics illustrating why housing has become an acute source of stress for American families and an electoral liability for Mr. Biden.

The administration has acknowledged that it has limited power over local zoning rules, which tend to dictate the design and density of homes in particular neighborhoods. Most of the president’s recommendations for expanding supply involve using the federal budget as a carrot to encourage local governments to allow more building — including adding low-income housing and smaller starter homes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/u...ing-costs.html

as a general strategy this makes a fair amount of sense

[sturg33]

Better strategy is to usher in another economic crisis to force interest rates back to zero.

Or drastically cut spending (ha!)

[nsacpi]

btw any plan that successfully stimulated supply and lowered the price of housing would create a whole new set of political headaches...it would not be popular among the people who already own houses

[Tapate50]

Children running the country

[sturg33]

Fun fact for the idiots on the left.

If we co fiscated the wealth of every billionaire in America, and converted it to cash of its current value, we could fund our federal government for almost 8 months

Nothing matters until spending is slashed

[nsacpi]

California produces the biggest stream of billionaires of any state or country and confiscates a good chunk of their income. Pretty nifty trick. But other states shouldn't try it.

[sturg33]

California produces the biggest stream of billionaires of any state or country and confiscates a good chunk of their income. Pretty nifty trick. But other states shouldn't try it.

That probably explains why they are also broke and lead the country in homeless and poverty

[nsacpi]

What can I say. If y'all wanna believe California is #1 in poverty be my guest. Don't let the facts get in your way.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewd...h=5f76eacf3845

Not only does California have a relatively low poverty rate, but it has one of the biggest declines in the poverty rate (28%) in the past 10 years.

[nsacpi]

Looks like we can add poverty rates to murder rates, life expectancy and per capita GDP to the list of basic metrics where the GAP between blue and red states has been getting even more favorable for blue states.

[Garmel]

What can I say. If y'all wanna believe California is #1 in poverty be my guest. Don't let the facts get in your way.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewd...h=5f76eacf3845

Not only does California have a relatively low poverty rate, but it has one of the biggest declines in the poverty rate (28%) in the past 10 years.

Except that metric doesn't include the cost of living. When you do Cal's poverty is the worst in the States.

[nsacpi]

this study looks at living standards adjusted by things like cost of housing

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econr...-20200528.html

top 10: MN, MA, ND, CT, SD, NH, NE, NJ, NY, VT

bottom 10: MS, AL, OK, LA, AR, KY, TN, WV, SC, GA