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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Free trade is best trade.

    Freedom is awesome if we allow it
    generally but there are exceptions

    requiring vaccinations for kids to attend public schools infringes on their and their parents' freedom, but I think is good policy
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    Its pretty well established we dont own ourselves or our body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    That’s an interesting portrayal. As I’ve previously noted, Venezuela had 100% inflation in 1996 and a 66% poverty rate, a rise of 30% over the last decade. This timeline is misleading, to say the least. It also neglects to mention the US-backed coup d’etat in 2002. Venezuela is worse off now, by a long shot, but portraying it as a paradise in the 90s is just historically inaccurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    1974 Socialist Carlos Andrés Pérez elected President of Venezuela.

    1984 Socialist Jaime Lusinchi elected President of Venezuela.

    1989 Socialist Carlos Andrés Pérez elected President of Venezuela for a second time.

    1992 Venezuela becomes 3rd richest country in Latin America

    hard to believe

    does not compute...does not compute...does not compute...crash...
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    FWIW, Chavez was elected in 1998, and again in 2000 under a new constitution.

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    That's true the graphic doesn't cover every event that ever happened in the country's history.

    As I was reading it though it seemed more like 2020 Democratic platform (free healthcare, free higher ed, no guns, income inequality).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    That's true the graphic doesn't cover every event that ever happened in the country's history.

    As I was reading it though it seemed more like 2020 Democratic platform (free healthcare, free higher ed, no guns, income inequality).
    Yeah, just a few minor irrelevant details such as the period of rule by socialist presidents from 1974 to 1992. Such details are truly irrelevant to any point that any poster has been trying to make around here that Venezuela was an economic powerhouse until the socialists ruined it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Yeah, just a few minor irrelevant details such as the period of rule by socialist presidents. Such details are truly irrelevant to any point that any poster has been trying to make around here. That I can think of anyhow.
    I think the new constitution in 2000 is the relevant part, don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I think the new constitution in 2000 is the relevant part, don't you?
    well...I don't want to go through all the posting history, but I have a foggy recollection that a certain poster (or two) has been using Venezuela as an example of a country ruined by socialism...I don't recall the argument being advanced that Venezuela was ruined by the 2000 constitution...I may have missed that

    seriously i'm not a fan of socialism (although I think anyone with any sort of capacity for nuance would acknowledge that just about any modern economy is a mix of market and government control and regulation)...but i'm even less of a fan of the tendentious style of argumentation that is your calling card

    btw Acción Democrática, the party that ran Venezuela all those years is a member of the Socialist International, just in case there are any doubts.
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    Isnt there a middle ground or is it either all caused by socialism or non of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Isnt there a middle ground or is it either all caused by socialism or non of it?
    Really doesn’t seem to be the point of the graphic Sturg shared.

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    https://mobile.reuters.com/article/a....co/NwGfeSZoDG

    Some progress hopefully. Tariffs can be a powerful tool. US has unlimited economic power but its useless unless you wield it when needed.
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    This is the probably the right place to post this... click to reasd the whole thread


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    The best use of resources is government...


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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    The best use of resources is government...

    California is a fantastic example of socialism. It becomes feudalism.

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    America 2019, where "child lunch debt" is a real thing and fully-employed
    workers live in their cars and dying cancer patients beg on the internet
    for strangers to pay for their medication so yeah, I'd say that
    late-stage capitalism is working out just aces for everyone
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