Wonder if we offered Acuna anything like Kingery just got with the phillies. Nice job philly.
Wonder if we offered Acuna anything like Kingery just got with the phillies. Nice job philly.
The Phillies have signed Scott Kingery to a six-year contract through the 2023 season, general manager Matt Klentak announced today. The deal also includes three club options for the 2024, 2025 and 2026 seasons.Originally Posted by thethe
Kingery, the Phillies' No. 2 prospect and the No. 35 overall prospect in MLB, will make the Opening Day roster, a source told MLB.com's Todd Zolecki. The team has not yet confirmed.
Can't get upset with the front office unless we know something like this wasn't offered but something like this can't help but get me pissed. Acuna should be on the roster opening day.
I'd guess Atlanta would be very willing to make such a deal, but Acuña would be smart to tell them to kick rocks.
Your future is never guaranteed, he could have an injury outside of baseball and not play anymore. A kid his age and having 0 MLB experience would be smart to take a deal for 6-7 years.
Pretty interesting move. Kid makes the team out of ST, and the team signs him to a 6/24 deal with 3 club options after that. Could turn out to be a really good deal for them if he pans out.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/p...-with-options/
Edit: Oops - didn't see that this was already mentioned in the other thread
Fair deal imo and one that could set a precedent for other Top 50 prospects. Obviously a guy in the Top 10 or someone like Acuna who is consensus #1 would command more.
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50PoundHead (03-25-2018)
8/40 on Acuna with 2 15 mil team options?
So what do you do? Is the option years where you make it more tailored to a prospects of his pedigree? Are the option years worth 20M per?
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The option years are worth whatever it takes to get them to sign - if they flop, you just cut them loose at that point. That's why I was in favor of locking down someone like Freeman - he's likely going to be at least "good enough" to be the second or third lefty in your pen for the next 3 or so years. If you can avoid having to pay him inflated salaries in arbitration, that provides you with more money to go out and get a Donaldson-type on a 3-4 year deal even if it costs you a ton. A $2-$3 million/per outlay for Freeman leaves you with several million more to spend on a mega-deal guy than if you were paying middle-relievers their market-rate these days.
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I think both the option and guaranteed portion would have to be about 50% higher for Acuna
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Acuna would probably cost more for him to sign.
Maybe like 6/60 with two team options. But i think he'll pull a Machado/Harper and just play it out year by year.
Sure, it wouldn't be insane for a player to take such a deal, but there's a reason these deals happen so infrequently, and it's almost certainly not because clubs aren't interested. A player like Acuña would be dramatically underpaid under such a deal if he is even close to being the player he's advertised to be.
There is risk both ways. Singleton didn't pan out.
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And as we all know, the Astros were so crippled by Singelton's dead money that they went on to have no success.
Snark aside, Singleton's complete failure is part of the reason why I'm in favor of clubs taking these risks. Even if the player flops completely, you have so little invested that it doesn't matter. For the course of Singleton's (and now Kingery's) deal he averaged end of the bench type money. You can afford to miss on those deals for the potential reward.
I think that is about 25-30 million dollars too high based on what I've learned about these things. The guaranteed portion would likely be in the 6/30 or 35 range I think. Then if we could get two option years at 20-22 million I would be happy.
Acuna is going to cost much more than Kingery to extend. This is a very interesting precedent setting deal though.
50PoundHead (03-25-2018), jpx7 (03-26-2018)
Love this kind of deal. I don't know why GMs will waste so much money on free agents but God forbid they waste 40 million over 8 years on a bust. Even when the deal goes bad for the team ala Eric Hinske it's not THAT bad for the team.
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Jaw (03-26-2018)
The links break it down, but putting it down here:
24 2018 750k
25 2019 1.25m
26 2020 1.5m
27 2021 4.0m
28 2022 6.0m
29 2023 8.0m.
30 2024 13m Team option
31 2025 14m Team option
32 2026 15m Team option
This seems like a kid who thinks 24 million is a lot of guaranteed money and who could live with only making 60 million if he turns out to be great.
I think its a pretty great deal for Philly. Only the last two guaranteed years amount to any sort of financial burden and the Phillies certainly have the payroll to afford it if it busts. If he turns into an all star they control almost all of his useful career on reasonably priced options. Relatively little team risk here then and what risk their is mitigated by their being a big market club.
Makes a ton of sense to me from both sides. Baseball can be played for a long time. But you never know what will happen. If you are a star you'll make more than that money off the field as well.
Acuna should ask for more than that given his power and ability to play CF. This kid at SS should command more.
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