Actually it is a question that requires fairly careful analysis.
Did Hartcoppy do well considering:
1) the amount of major league talent they traded away (controlling for value, years of control etc)
2) the number of high draft choices
3) the expenditures on international signings
when you consider resources expended (draft picks, major league talent traded, the international budget) I'm not so sure they did so well
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Any competent sports GM could have done as well or better at converting present value to future value. They didn't do anything special when they sold off the MLB parts. Building the best farm system when you were the only team at the time stripping itself of all MLB value is hardly a notable feat.
While we can complain that they targeting too much pitching, it's a little silly to complain about the specific prospects they got in return (and I'm aware I do it frequently) since we don't know exactly what was available at the time.
What we can criticize, and many of us did at the time, was their insistence on using up some of their assets' trade value in acquiring "now" components during the sell off. That was very clearly a mistake, and many people noted it while it was happening.
Last edited by Enscheff; 07-12-2018 at 05:12 PM.
It should also be noted how they obtained the young talent. I seriously doubt the only rules bent were the ones they got caught for. Nothing they did will ever out weight what they did to get in trouble. NOTHING.
Coppy
Which GM signed the Cuban guy that no one here was even sure existed for a year or two? That be my vote for the worse of the two GMs.
Hart/Coppy traded Simba for Newcomb and Dansby basically.
That will always be a horrible move in my eyes.
Forever Fredi
Too early to tell IMO on the drafts but I don't think the Hartcoppy drafts are going to stack up to Simmons/Wood/Gattis. I like the chances of seeing 3 players (starting pitchers) emerge from those drafts but the only guy I know is safe if he can get on the mound and stay on the mound with his makeup is Soroka. Even if his velo gain wasn't real, I'm pretty sure he's a safe #3 type starter.
Aggression with prospects is fine, but being stupid is not. There should be a way to find a happy medium between a Pirates like idea of being overly cautious with prospects and going stupidly fast with prospects.
It’s so weird to see people so fervently declare for one side or the other of a Frank Wren discussion. He’s the GM equivalent of a 2 WAR player.
Meanwhile back to Ozzie...
I think it’s pretty clear at this point that he’s established himself as the player with most trade value on the team. More so than Acuna, imo.
jpx7 (07-12-2018)