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    I've actually been wondering if clubs are being careful about calling folks up immediately when eligible bc that could lead to players negotiating that away in next CBA.

    The current one is a huge boon for the teams so they wouldn't want that going away.

    Maybe I'm just overthinking it though

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
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    It would be interesting. It immediately changes our lineup for the better. (Though Flaherty has been good)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    I've actually been wondering if clubs are being careful about calling folks up immediately when eligible bc that could lead to players negotiating that away in next CBA.

    The current one is a huge boon for the teams so they wouldn't want that going away.

    Maybe I'm just overthinking it though
    Could be but I would of thought the MLBPA would have looked into that after the Kris Bryant fiasco which was highly publicized.

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    I may be in the minority and I know he's ready but am I wrong for kind of wanting his k-rate to come down before bringing him up? Another 2 Ks today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    I may be in the minority and I know he's ready but am I wrong for kind of wanting his k-rate to come down before bringing him up? Another 2 Ks today
    Only if you think he has a strikeout problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Only if you think he has a strikeout problem
    is it likely he doesn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    is it likely he doesn't?
    Initially he likely strikes out a lot at the big league level. But I don't think a few games to start 2018 is any kind of indication compared to what he's done in the minors previously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    is it likely he doesn't?
    He didn't last year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    is it likely he doesn't?
    We haven’t really seen him play that much but his K rate in A+ ball last year at beginning of season was in the same range as it is now over 100+ PA,, then declined as he advanced levels.

    Could be a slow, aggressive starter.

    Anecdotally, I see increasing suggestion that he’s being pitched around and is getting himself out.

    That’s a thing that he will need to adjust to, though initially major league pitchers probably won’t pitch around him. Could be helpful to him moving up in that respect. At least for short term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    Initially he likely strikes out a lot at the big league level. But I don't think a few games to start 2018 is any kind of indication compared to what he's done in the minors previously.
    i generally agree. i guess i was going with this year and some of last year. the decline as he moved up was pretty miraculous.

    but i now feel fine with him being up ASAP.

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    Acuna in 2017 had 144 k in 612 PA = 23.5%

    What is the acceptable rate? Riley gets criticized for 26%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Could be a slow, aggressive starter.

    Anecdotally, I see increasing suggestion that he’s being pitched around and is getting himself out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Acuna in 2017 had 144 k in 612 PA = 23.5%

    What is the acceptable rate? Riley gets criticized for 26%
    well, acuna is younger, and his rate declined as he climbed levels. he was below 20% in AAA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    well, acuna is younger, and his rate declined as he climbed levels. he was below 20% in AAA
    They started pro ball in the same year, so not sure than 1 year age difference is that big a deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    They started pro ball in the same year, so not sure than 1 year age difference is that big a deal.
    I think the big difference initially it that Acuna has a higher hit tool with more power. That should translate to better results even with a highish strikeout numbers. We'll see how things pan out. Riley is certainly increasing his stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    I think the big difference initially it that Acuna has a higher hit tool with more power. That should translate to better results even with a highish strikeout numbers. We'll see how things pan out. Riley is certainly increasing his stock.
    Power is debatable...
    ISO...
    Acuna A = .122
    A+ = .191
    AA = .195
    AAA= .204 (not including this year, but .100)

    Riley A = .208
    A+ = .157
    AA = .197 (not including this year, but .310)

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    Both have had very good performance, though Acuna's has been more consistent.

    For Acuna, it confirmed what people saw in the tools, so he was at the top of prospect rankings. For Riley, it went against what a lot of people saw in raw tools. So he started showing up on prospect rankings but still lags behind because of his lack of tools relative to Acuna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Power is debatable...
    ISO...
    Acuna A = .122
    A+ = .191
    AA = .195
    AAA= .204 (not including this year, but .100)

    Riley A = .208
    A+ = .157
    AA = .197 (not including this year, but .310)
    That's why I said initially. These things can change as time marches on.

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    A lot of the deal with Acuna should be simple, and it has nothing to do with him "getting hot" (unless you don't want to make it obvious). Internal scouts should be monitoring him to see if he can get his hitting mechanics straightened out (he has an issue there that can cause him to pile up strikeouts and it's really toeing a fine line for him). As soon as he does for a few games in a row, bring him up.

    If you actually try to go by "the hot hand", you risk doing the same thing with him that you're doing with Tucker. Tucker had an RBI hit last night, but his monster start has been history. He's a bench player or at most, a 2 WAR starter in LF.
    Aggression with prospects is fine, but being stupid is not. There should be a way to find a happy medium between a Pirates like idea of being overly cautious with prospects and going stupidly fast with prospects.

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