AerchAngel (04-25-2018), Braves1976 (04-27-2018)
Why we lost all of them.
We had a better team most of the time and a way better pitching staff. He sucked as a manager. If we had someone like LaDoucha or Scoscia I guarantee we would have at least 3 or 4 more WS wins.
I got banned by Bill Skanks and Mike because I tore into Bobby on several occasions during that time.
I was banned from saying Bobby Cocksucker, Booby Cox and Booby Cocks.
And pitching coaches are why major pitchers aren't good and hitting coaches are why major league hitters don't get hits and bullpen coaches are why relievers walk people.
Baseball is almost entirely about players executing against one another in one on one situations. That's it.
I hate the Braves didn't win more WS during their window, but that window closed a lot earlier than Cox's tenure did even though the Braves continued to win division championships.
Tapate50 (04-26-2018)
I think overall there were several factors. Bobby's age, Bobby's wife was ready for him to stay home, and very simply Bobby and Wren didn't see eye to eye. Rumors say it started over Smoltz's and Glavine's exits.
Slippyjms (04-25-2018)
Well, is it Cox's fault that the Twins were allowed to manipulate the air conditioning and Kent Hrbek got an out that was illegal. In a game that could have resulted in a BRaves win which would have meant the BRaves would have clinched at home.
1992 the Jays were 100% better than the Braves. Their pitching was a tad bit worse but not that much. Braves were a product of a weak NL at the start of that decade. While the Jays had to contest with A's, Orioles, etc. the Braves had a much easier time in the NL.
1996 BRaves were better than the Yankees. Wholers serving up a meatball to a bum was demoralizing.
But again your case against Cox choking in the playoffs is basically a few attempts. Braves conversely were worse than the Indians in 95, a lot worse. As far as 93 vs. 92 or 91 you're mostly correct, that what the Braves were positive because of McGriff and Maddux they were negative in Pendleton falling a ton, and "down years" from Smoltz and Glavine. They should have beaten the Phillies, but **** happens. And the main perpetrator of that **** was Curt Schilling. Who is a beast in the postseason.
Stockholm, more densely populated than NYC - sturg
I’m talking about the 2010 team he ended up making the playoffs with. That lineup was hot garbage, and the team was missing some key pieces in the bullpen like Saito and eventually Wagner. It may be the best bullpen we’ve ever had though. Also, our rotation was Hudson, Hanson, and a Derek Lowe hot streak.
‘04 was a great team, but it had a lot to do with career years and flashes in the pan. Chipper had the worst year of his career. ‘05 was pretty meh when you look back on it.
05 was a pretty meh team aside from the stars. Andruw, Smoltz, Huddy, all were stars. Giles, Chipper when healthy, Furcal and the half season of Francouer pretty much rounded out our offense. 05 was the year where everyone assumed the Braves could do no wrong because of guys like Jorge Sosa becoming flukes. Really set up our 06 failure, when we had nothing behind Hudson and Smoltz. Our offense was mostly fine in 06. Our failure was our pitching. .
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Wilbo and Gatom would’ve loved this thread.
He wanted to spend more time with Keith Lockhart.
DirkPiggler (04-25-2018), GovClintonTyree (04-25-2018), Tapate50 (04-26-2018)
When it comes to playoffs I only feel like the Braves failed in 1996 and '97. But it is undeniable that Cox got bested a lot in close tight games. Mainly because Bobby had a formula that worked a lot over 162, but he was reluctant to gamble and it cost him in a short series.