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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Sadly I did not get to see the game yesterday as I'm on the west coast for work.

    Folty has been better of late. Would still like to see him get batters out a bit more early in the count. I'll take your word for it that he was hitting the mitt better yesterday.
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    I have made my feelings known. I think when you watch guys every day you know more than the stats. They are an aide in the evaluation. Maybe FOlty becomes a guy that can succeed without having any clue where the ball is going. It helps to throw 99.

    Does fWAR 'normalize' HR/FB?
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    Did I make one comment on his performance yesterday?
    But you watch every game

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    But you watch every game
    Dude, really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garmel View Post
    Dude, really?
    I'm not the one saying I know more than the stats when I watch guys everyday and then admit to not watching a guys start I've railed on all year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    I'm not the one saying I know more than the stats when I watch guys everyday and then admit to not watching a guys start I've railed on all year.
    I wonder how many Folty starts he has missed.

    I wonder how many pitches he has watched in the starts he has seen.

    I wonder how many of Folty's 878 pitches he has seen this year.

    Know who's seen them all? Statcast.

    Know who's data I trust more than tehteh's? Statcast.

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    newcomb or folty
    yanny or laurel

    this is 2018 baby

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    I'm not the one saying I know more than the stats when I watch guys everyday and then admit to not watching a guys start I've railed on all year.
    You're worrying about semantics. I tell people that I watch every game but every year I do miss a few. Thethe is an emotional thinker and gets a lot of things wrong. Just explain to him why he's wrong and move on. The constant badgering he gets grows old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garmel View Post
    You're worrying about semantics. I tell people that I watch every game but every year I do miss a few. Thethe is an emotional thinker and gets a lot of things wrong. Just explain to him why he's wrong and move on. The constant badgering he gets grows old.
    Trust me. It's not semantics with him.

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    If anyone really wants to look at the actual difference between Newk and Folty, look no further than GB rates.

    Folty has consistently induced ~40% GBs or less, while Newk is sitting at nearly 50% this year.

    The reason being Newk gets huge ground out rates with his plus CU (68% for his career), while Folty doesn't have a single breaking pitch that induces even 40% GBs.

    Due to the lack of GBs, Folty is much more HR prone than Newk (1.3 HR/9 vs 0.8 HR/9).

    We already knew this. We already knew Newk had TOR stuff, and Folty had mediocre breaking pitches. This is not new information. It has nothing to do with some magical and unproven silly assertion that Newk misses in the zone less often than Folty.

    What's concerning about Folty is the huge uptick in BB/9, from a career rate of 3.23 to 4.60 this year...rather inexplicably. He has historically had much better control than Newk, and now suddenly doesn't. That better control used to close the gap between Folty and Newk. Now that Folty's control is garbage just like Newk, he is a worse pitcher than Newk. It's clear and undeniable.

    I'm guessing we see Folty tighten up his control closer to his career rates, and we see Newk's 0.58 HR/9 in 2018 regress a little closer to 1, and they end up being very similar "stuff #4s".
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    I appreciate the defense guys but this doesn't bother me in the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    I appreciate the defense guys but this doesn't bother me in the least.
    It's quite obvious you enjoy it. You knowingly or unknowingly troll enscheff constantly. He uses your quotes in his signatures, and you obviously drive him nuts lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    It's quite obvious you enjoy it. You knowingly or unknowingly troll enscheff constantly. He uses your quotes in his signatures, and you obviously drive him nuts lol
    d1 isn't the only one with the infatuation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    It's quite obvious you enjoy it. You knowingly or unknowingly troll enscheff constantly. He uses your quotes in his signatures, and you obviously drive him nuts lol
    It's funny. I enjoy funny things. I'm certain tehteh doesn't care in the least what a random guy thinks about him.

    It's a message board, and it's nice to see tehteh doesn't take **** talking as seriously as some of our more sensitive members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    It's quite obvious you enjoy it. You knowingly or unknowingly troll enscheff constantly. He uses you quotes in his signatures, and you obviously drive him nuts lol
    Enjoy is strong but I pride myself on being patient and open to any and all viewpoints while still holding my own strong opinions.

    I just don't engage with those that aren't willing to show some semblance of civility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    It's funny. I enjoy funny things. I'm certain tehteh doesn't care in the least what a random guy thinks about him.

    It's a message board, and it's nice to see tehteh doesn't take **** talking as seriously as some of our more sensitive members.
    It doesn't bother me. I enjoy the show. I do find it funny he gets you so riled up

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    It doesn't bother me. I enjoy the show. I do find it funny he gets you so riled up
    Riled up? More like entertains me during slow periods at the office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Riled up? More like entertains me during slow periods at the office.
    you've got a fine line between riled up and enjoyment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    He looked to have plenty of idea where the ball was going yesterday, on at least 80% of his pitches; if anything, he was being too fine with his location, living on borderlines and working himself into trouble when he didn’t get the calls.
    I agree with this word for word. If he approached every batter the way he approached Baez in his last out, he'd be every bit an ace. He attacked him and didn't try to nibble. Then made him look foolish on that slider.

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    We need to stop debating pitchers until we get a new pitching coach. We continue to see regression in control from everyone that’s comes in contact with chuckie. Look at B-Mac. Hell. Look at Fatolo and how he can now remember how to throw strikes.
    Newk literally skipped giving chuckie credit for helping him.
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    Maybe both are just really good?

    That would be a desirable outcome.
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    Newcomb's next start will be at Fenway...should be informative...Folty also scheduled to pitch in that series
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