Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: Braves Hitters Strikeout Rates in April

  1. #1
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,591
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,390
    Thanked in
    7,539 Posts

    Braves Hitters Strikeout Rates in April

    K rates for hitters normalize relatively fast...so some thoughts on which hitters might be seeing "real" improvement and which ones "fake" improvement.

    Real: Muk, Freeman and Suzuki have lowered their strikeout rates. It is worth noting that this can be a leading indicator of improvement even for late bloomers.

    Fake: Swanson. People will think I have something against Dansby but gotta call it as I see it. Strikeout rate is at a career high (24.3%).

    Also concerned to a lesser extent by higher strikeout rates for Inciarte (15.1% versus 12.0% for his career) and Albies (18.9% versus 14.8% last year). I love Albies (and think he is more valuable than Acuna) but he isn't anywhere near the player he appeared to be in April.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  2. #2
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,494
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,032
    Thanked in
    6,135 Posts
    Albies is funny because he has the batted ball profile of a slugger (47% FBs, 45% Pull%, 20% HR%), but below average exit velocities.

    When that HR rate regresses to the single digits, his HR power will all but evaporate. At that point we hope his BB rate picks up to closer to 10%, and he starts hitting more LDs.

    I think it will happen, and I'm not worried about Albies at all. He is still going to be the 2nd most valuable player on the team as I predicted this off season.

  3. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Enscheff For This Useful Post:

    JohnAdcox (04-30-2018), UNCBlue012 (05-01-2018)

  4. #3
    Expects Yuge Games nsacpi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    47,591
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    2,704
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    11,390
    Thanked in
    7,539 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Albies is funny because he has the batted ball profile of a slugger (47% FBs, 45% Pull%, 20% HR%), but below average exit velocities.

    When that HR rate regresses to the single digits, his HR power will all but evaporate. At that point we hope his BB rate picks up to closer to 10%, and he starts hitting more LDs.

    I think it will happen, and I'm not worried about Albies at all. He is still going to be the 2nd most valuable player on the team as I predicted this off season.
    He's been getting into deeper counts in recent games. Pitchers are adjusting and he is adjusting. I agree he will be fine.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

    "I am your retribution."

  5. #4
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,494
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,032
    Thanked in
    6,135 Posts
    We saw something similar with Story in April of 2016 when he posted a HR 10%+ higher than his true talent rate. He popped 10 HRs and there was talk about him being the next great power hitter. He regressed to being a good power hitter rather than a great one.

    When the Braves first got Bourn, he popped a few HRs and there was talk around here of him “figuring out how to hit for power late in his career”. He regressed to having no power.

    Just last April, Ender popped 4 HRs and there was a lot of talk about him making strides as a hitter and speculation about how great a 15+ HR Inciarte would be. He regressed to his usual HR rates.

    We saw exactly the same thing with MAdams last year when the Braves got him. Same unsustainable HR rate, same ultimate result.

    I suspect we are seeing the same thing with Albies, who will likely regress to a ~10% HR rate.
    Last edited by Enscheff; 04-30-2018 at 02:29 PM.

  6. #5
    It's OVER 5,000! Braves1976's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    15,027
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    7,679
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2,207
    Thanked in
    1,642 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    K rates for hitters normalize relatively fast...so some thoughts on which hitters might be seeing "real" improvement and which ones "fake" improvement.

    Real: Muk, Freeman and Suzuki have lowered their strikeout rates. It is worth noting that this can be a leading indicator of improvement even for late bloomers.

    Fake: Swanson. People will think I have something against Dansby but gotta call it as I see it. Strikeout rate is at a career high (24.3%).

    Also concerned to a lesser extent by higher strikeout rates for Inciarte (15.1% versus 12.0% for his career) and Albies (18.9% versus 14.8% last year). I love Albies (and think he is more valuable than Acuna) but he isn't anywhere near the player he appeared to be in April.
    I am only concerned about Swanson on this list. Inciarte doesn't handle cold weather well but will be fine now. I expect Albies to be fine too.

  7. The Following User Says Thank You to Braves1976 For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (04-30-2018)

  8. #6
    Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is. jpx7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    11,910
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    47,864
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    6,443
    Thanked in
    3,831 Posts
    Probably a dumb query, but how does exit-velocity vary along aging arcs (if at all)?
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

  9. #7
    It's OVER 5,000!
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    26,494
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    34
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    10,032
    Thanked in
    6,135 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    Probably a dumb query, but how does exit-velocity vary along aging arcs (if at all)?
    Pretty much declines with age from the get-go:

    https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/qu...exit-velocity/

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to Enscheff For This Useful Post:

    jpx7 (04-30-2018)

  11. #8
    Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is. jpx7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    11,910
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    47,864
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    6,443
    Thanked in
    3,831 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Pretty much declines with age from the get-go:

    https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/qu...exit-velocity/
    That’s what I figured. So we probably can’t expect Albies’ velocity to improve, despite his young age; but the upshot is it also likely won’t decline precipitously for a few years, given his young age, since the steepest dropoffs tend around age-23 and age-33.
    "For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."

  12. #9
    NL Rookie of the Year
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Posts
    2,198
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    13
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    287
    Thanked in
    239 Posts
    Albies has decided that he is going to elevate through heck and haywater and the good thing with that is just by probabilities, I feel like you're going to hit more HRs than you should if you've decided to elevate no matter what, the BAD thing is...if you're going to do that, it increases your soft contact because of pop ups since you've decided to do this.

    Not that he's going to hit 54 HR because he's not lol, but I really can't see him tailing off even close to Inciarte like from last year. As he's doing this and even through the ugliness of the soft contact, he's still hitting well.

    Swanson has a lot of very ugly stats, but weirdly, statcast's peripherals really liked him at the last look. When he was still a bit over .300, his xBA/xwOBA/xSLG were all very positive. As in, he wasn't a true .300 hitter, but worlds better than 2017. So its hard to say, strikeout rate and BABIP are extremely ugly and suggest he's even worse than 2017...or do you believe statcast which says he's truly made strides?
    Aggression with prospects is fine, but being stupid is not. There should be a way to find a happy medium between a Pirates like idea of being overly cautious with prospects and going stupidly fast with prospects.

  13. #10
    Arizona Fall Leaguer
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    149
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    7
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    13
    Thanked in
    13 Posts
    Thanks for the numbers guys. Especially on an off day. I love Albies, but I think Acuna will produce a higher WAR this year than Albies, even with a month less playing time.

Similar Threads

  1. September Strikeout and Walk Rates for Our Pitchers
    By nsacpi in forum LOCKER ROOM TALK
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 10-02-2018, 07:32 AM
  2. April Strikeout Rates for Our Hitters
    By nsacpi in forum Pessimists
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 05-22-2017, 06:49 AM
  3. Sims and Gant: Elite Strikeout Rates
    By nsacpi in forum 2024: The Campaign to Re-Elect Snit for Four More Years and Make Atlanta Great Again!
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 05-14-2016, 07:01 AM
  4. Contact Hitters versus Strikeout Pitchers
    By nsacpi in forum 2024: The Campaign to Re-Elect Snit for Four More Years and Make Atlanta Great Again!
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 10-26-2015, 09:15 PM
  5. BA Model Rates Braves Farm System At #10
    By nsacpi in forum 2024: The Campaign to Re-Elect Snit for Four More Years and Make Atlanta Great Again!
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: 10-29-2013, 03:51 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •