It's Soroka Time

[Enscheff]

Meh, maybe. We're so aggressive that I wouldn't be surprised. I bet Allard is up sooner rather than later.

Allard can't be promoted until he establishes himself as a Top 20 prospect.

[UNCBlue012]

Allard can't be promoted until he establishes himself as a Top 20 prospect.

Don't argue with me. I completely agree that he needs more seasoning, but I'm not going to act surprised when he's pushed to Atlanta.

[thethe]

Riley should be held down until June of next season.

Camargo is a player guys....

[bravesfanMatt]

Don't argue with me. I completely agree that he needs more seasoning, but I'm not going to act surprised when he's pushed to Atlanta.

His response had nothing to do with you. Trust me.

[Southcack77]

It seems Soroka has jumped over Gohara very quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if Soroka stays up and Gohara is left in AAA until he stops being fat and starts being a professional athlete. Sanchez is likely in AAA or the BP as the 6th SP once he's deemed healthy.

Man, I wish they had traded Julio when they had the chance.

I’m not sure ditching the salary in 2019 would have been my highest priority at the time but it’s turned out to be maybe the more important opportunity cost of not making a deal than any foregone (middling?) prospects.

[msstate7]

It seems Soroka has jumped over Gohara very quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if Soroka stays up and Gohara is left in AAA until he stops being fat. Sanchez is likely in AAA or the BP as the 6th SP once he's deemed healthy.

Man, I wish they had traded Julio when they had the chance.

Gohara was gonna be in the rotation till injury. Hard to say he's been passed by when gohara is just getting his feet back under him

Last season...

Soroka (153.2 ip AA) 7.32 k9 1.99 bb9

Gohara (153 ip A+, AA, AAA, MLB) 10.47 k9 3.06 bb9

[jpx7]

I’m not sure ditching the salary in 2019 would have been my highest priority at the time but it’s turned out to be maybe the more important opportunity cost of not making a deal than any foregone (middling?) prospects.

Not sure I’d call Bradley, Jr and Benintendi “middling” ...

[Southcack77]

thing is, allard isn't likely to be any better than anyone in the current rotation.
calling riley up would be in the category of "rushing," and i don't see it happening (and it shouldn't).

If they want to try Allard as a lefty reliever I guess that could work but I don’t see the rotation spot for him barring injury.

That likely requires giving up on Newcomb, Gohara, Folty in rotation.

I suppose you could make the argument for that but would be a surprising move.

[Enscheff]

I’m not sure ditching the salary in 2019 would have been my highest priority at the time but it’s turned out to be maybe the more important opportunity cost of not making a deal than any foregone (middling?) prospects.

At the time, folks were noting that his stuff was already in decline, and he was unlikely to be productive in 2017, much less 2019.

Cashing him in was just as much about getting prospects as it was avoiding the exact scenario we are witnessing now.

[Southcack77]

Not sure I’d call Bradley, Jr and Benintendi “middling” ...

I never saw either reported with any degree of reliability.

If either had been offered he’d probably be gone. Well maybe not Bradley. I love him dearly but not sure I’d have targeted him for the Braves.

[jpx7]

I never saw either reported with any degree of reliability.

If either had been offered he’d probably be gone. Well maybe not Bradley. I love him dearly but not sure I’d have targeted him for the Braves.

I agree—was merely trolling.

[Southcack77]

At the time, folks were noting that his stuff was already in decline, and he was unlikely to be productive in 2017, much less 2019.

Cashing him in was just as much about getting prospects as it was avoiding the exact scenario we are witnessing now.

I thought the consensus would be that he’d probably still be worth his salary in 2019 as a fourth or fifth starter.

[Super]

I thought the consensus would be that he’d probably still be worth his salary in 2019 as a fourth or fifth starter.

in hindsight, i wish we made a deal. i know many called for it at the time. but i think also at the time, there was a fair and reasonable argument for keeping him.

[Enscheff]

Back to Soroka...

The actual results of this start are virtually inconsequential. I will be looking in earnest for a few things:

1. A Grade 60+ SI, meaning ~94 MPH through 80+ pitches with 8"-9" of arm side run and less than 6" of rise.
2. A Grade 50+ breaking ball.
3. Flashes of a Grade 50+ CH.
4. No stretches of 4-5 consecutive pitches where he completely loses control.

[jpx7]

in hindsight, i wish we made a deal. i know many called for it at the time. but i think also at the time, there was a fair and reasonable argument for keeping him.

I was for it at the time; but, in hindsight, unless they were dealing him to AZ, I doubt Hart/Copt would’ve extracted good value for him in a trade anyways.

Given the Kemp deal, I’d like to think Anthopoulos is the man to clear his salary if he deems it useful to do so.

[Super]

unless they were dealing him to AZ, I doubt Hart/Copt would’ve extracted good value for him in a trade anyways.

i'm not biting. no way.

[Enscheff]

I thought the consensus would be that he’d probably still be worth his salary in 2019 as a fourth or fifth starter.

That was the consensus of his upside, completely ignoring the risk inherent with keeping a pitcher for 3 noncompetitive seasons.

There was no good argument for keeping Teheran. It was a terrible decision the moment it happened, not because he is no longer very good. We didn't even need hindsight in this case.

It is simply poor asset management to waste a pitcher's value and carry the risk of injury/decline when a team is guaranteed to lose. Keeping Freeman wasn't optimal, but it was defensible because he is a position player less likely to see his value go to zero...and luckily the Braves have realized the best case scenario with him.

[thethe]

Why the **** are we talking about if we should have traded Tehran in a thread for soroka. Just stop it

[jpx7]

Why the **** are we talking about if we should have traded Tehran in a thread for soroka. Just stop it

Unlike some of these digressions, this is both a valid question and very relevant to the current roster situation. I get the frustrations recently, but don’t hypercorrect.

[thewupk]

Why the **** are we talking about if we should have traded Tehran in a thread for soroka. Just stop it

Because next week you may be wondering why Soroka got sent back to AAA.