msstate7 (05-10-2018)
1). Potentially this one. If multiple guys in the same league put up 10+ WAR, like is the current pace. that, objectively, would make a 7-WAR player not most valuable. But again, a month and half into the season, it's pretty silly to call anyone (except the obvious, trout) that.
Point number 2 goes with my "it's way too early" point. simmons getting MVP votes last year means nothing. he was 8th in the AL in WAR.
we all know why you're saying it. it's ok.
thewupk (05-10-2018)
Coppy
explain how i'm wrong.
explain how my position that saying a guy has "MVP-caliber production" a month and half into the season (while being lucky) is silly, is wrong.
explain how, if a guy puts up 7 WAR it's considered MVP-caliber if other guys put up 10+. that is literally, objectively not the same level, therefore not MVP-level. unless 7 WAR is equally as valuable as 10. i kinda think it isn't.
How is that a straw man..? At all? You asked in what season that would be true. Bringing out the current WAR leaders numbers to a full season, it would be true this season. Which is my point. It's early. The numbers aren't likely to keep up this pace. Including Simmons. "Literally never happened" is also kind of my point here. Simmons has never put up 7+ WAR. He's never hit nearly this well. He's never carried a BABIP over .300 in a full seaon. He's at .348. There are 7 players in his league who have been more valuable than he has this year, even with his fortunate offense. All facts.
I assumed MVP simply meant "most valuable." If 7 guys have been more valuable than another guy (some by a lot), how is that one guy's production possibly considered most valuable?
I did and the answer is 0.
It is early and nobody is bringing up anyone sustaining it except for you.
Those all are facts regarding Simmons and yet has nothing to do with the original discussion until you got butt hurt that Simmons is playing "extremely well". Would that phrase, instead of MVP level, not hurt your feelings as much?
Then you assumed wrong. There are clear levels of WAR production which is based on the overall performance of the league. 2 WAR = average, 4 WAR = all-star, 6+ = MVP.
Having Trout, Steroids Bonds, and 26 Year Old Pujols in the same league wouldn't make Simmons or anyone else at 7 WAR not have MVP level production even if they wouldn't sniff the award.