GDT 5/10 Braves @ Marlins

[bravesfanMatt]

I have reason to believe some teams have developed data to measure command...based on how close the pitch was relative to where the catcher sets up

Yeah. To some degree. I would rather have a stat that measured how long a ball was in strike zone before leaving and how long not in zone before entering. To me that is command. Pitches that don’t look like strikes that are or pitches that look like strikes but aren’t is a true command type pitcher.

[CyYoung31]

Three more months.

126 to go. Several pitchers are pitching better than they ever have. Albies and Kakes are out of their minds, regression will be forthcoming. Bullpen walks too many, which will bite you in the ass.

Still after 20 years of the baseball Gods hurling their mightiest wrath at Atlanta, it's about time the worm turned and we got an extended run of good luck.

Huh? What past 20 years have you been living?

[thethe]

I have reason to believe some teams have developed data to measure command...based on how close the pitch was relative to where the catcher sets up...it is an active area of research

There is no doubt this is measured. If you can't hit your spots you can't pitch.

[bravesfanMatt]

There is no doubt this is measured. If you can't hit your spots you can't pitch.

Where is “your spot”

[thewupk]

When stats go wrong....

or don't support your narrative

[thethe]

Where is “your spot”

The zone the catcher puts his mitt out to. That is the call prior to the pitch. How are you arguing that is where the pitch is intended to go?

[Enscheff]

So the theory being punted around right now is that a pitcher who is worse at throwing strikes is somehow better at "hitting his spots"? For this to be true, Folty would have to miss his spots towards the zone more often than he misses away from the zone due to some unknown force of strike zone attraction.

Do I have the idea summed up here?

[thethe]

or don't support your narrative

Strike percentage is not the whole picture here and you know that

[thewupk]

Strike percentage is not the whole picture here and you know that

Then what is the whole picture besides your opinion?

[thethe]

Then what is the whole picture besides your opinion?

The ability to throw a pitch where you are supposed to throw it. Sometimes that's actually a ball

[Enscheff]

Strike percentage is not the whole picture here and you know that

You have consistently shown to not know what you're talking about. It's so bad you are the running joke of these boards.

Let's just chalk it up to another instance of what usually happens around here.

[Southcack77]

The problem is you will never be able to prove command. Folty can get a strike by hanging a slider up in the zone. Should have been in the dirt. So he missed his spot by 4 feet but got the same result. So basically anyone can argue “command”.

Personally I think Folty issue is having hittable pitches too often. He doesn’t know how to put guys away or just can’t execute the pitches to do so.
Newk is more the control/command issue.

He can't put guys away to the tune of 10k/per nine, which is top 10 in the NL.

Any event, the argument is not whether Folty has good command. That's not a point that anyone is really making.

[nsacpi]

So the theory being punted around right now is that a pitcher who is worse at throwing strikes is somehow better at "hitting his spots"? For this to be true, Folty would have to miss his spots towards the zone more often than he misses away from the zone due to some unknown force of strike zone attraction.

Do I have the idea summed up here?

yeah...percentage strikes is probably a good proxy for command...but there are some pitchers who are very good at throwing the ball just outside the strike zone...neither Folty nor Newcomb is that type of pitcher

[thewupk]

The ability to throw a pitch where you are supposed to throw it. Sometimes that's actually a ball

Then what about BB/9? Surely the idea is to not walk the batter?

[thethe]

Then what about BB/9? Surely the idea is to not walk the batter?

Agreed

[Southcack77]

There is no doubt this is measured. If you can't hit your spots you can't pitch.

and a significant % of the time Newcomb's intended spot is not a strike? And Folty never intentionally hits a target out of the zone?

This is foolishness.

[Enscheff]

He can't put guys away to the tune of 10k/per nine, which is top 10 in the NL.

Any event, the argument is not whether Folty has good command. That's not a point that anyone is really making.

Right. Nobody is saying Folty is Maddux, or even a pitcher with decent command.

The silliness is when folks ding Folty and pimp Newk, and then hide behind the conveniently impossible to prove "control vs command" cliche because they have zero data to back up their claim.

[thethe]

and a significant % of the time Newcomb's intended spot is not a strike? And Folty never intentionally hits a target out of the zone?

This is foolishness.

I'm not arguing newk has great command.

[bravesfanMatt]

He can't put guys away to the tune of 10k/per nine, which is top 10 in the NL.

Any event, the argument is not whether Folty has good command. That's not a point that anyone is really making.

Number of pitches to get there is my concern.

[Southcack77]

Agreed

They both walk 4 a game.