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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Also Simmons - who was used to get Newcomb

    And Gattis - who was used to get Folty

    Thank God for Frank Wren
    He signed Freeman to that team friendly deal. Without Wren he's likely playing 1B for the Angels

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    Seems like to me the Braves just need to give Julio 10 days between every start. He hit 93 yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan Black View Post
    Seems like to me the Braves just need to give Julio 10 days between every start. He hit 93 yesterday.
    Could have Teheran and McCarthy alternate every fifth day—a sort of five-and-a-half-man rotation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Hard to tell, but I think the Wren stuff is just a troll. Hard to really understand it otherwise. never won a playoff series, made the playoffs less than half the time, and left a roster that a team notoriously devoted to contending every year concluded had no choice but to tank.

    I think Coppy did a pretty decent job tanking despite evidently not being well suited to the GM job and the uh massive cheating. He was heavily critiqued for decisions he made that largely look just fine. He deserved to be fired and the Braves are likely better off without him.
    There is a certain contingent around here that jumps up and down in sheer delight over everything the Braves do. The loved Wren, then they hated Wren. They loved Copy, then they hated Coppy. Now they love AA. After he is gone they will undoubtedly talk about how he was always a terrible GM and the new guy is amazing.

    The Wren comments are a way to point out just how stupid that contingent of posters is. He was an average or better GM working under the constraints of a middling payroll and pressure to always contend without the benefit of ever reloading the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan Black View Post
    Seems like to me the Braves just need to give Julio 10 days between every start. He hit 93 yesterday.
    Or maybe he should just pitch like every day is Father's Day

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Also Simmons - who was used to get Newcomb

    And Gattis - who was used to get Folty

    Thank God for Frank Wren
    And Wood who was used to get...never mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Also Simmons - who was used to get Newcomb

    And Gattis - who was used to get Folty

    Thank God for Frank Wren
    Gattis has had one season above 1 fWAR.
    getting folty for him is looking like a coup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    And Wood who was used to get...never mind
    yes we've gone thru his draft record before...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    He signed Freeman to that team friendly deal. Without Wren he's likely playing 1B for the Angels
    meh, someone was getting signed. it was market value at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    Gattis has had one season above 1 fWAR.
    getting folty for him is looking like a coup.
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    Gattis has had one season above 1 fWAR.
    getting folty for him is looking like a coup.
    He was also 0.9 last year (after 2.7 in 2016), which is pretty close to 1.0. And at 0.8 this year, he’s well on his way to another ~2 fwar season.

    But yea: that deal looked solid at the time, for the Braves, and looks even better now with Foltynewicz’s emergence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    He was also 0.9 last year (after 2.7 in 2016), which is pretty close to 1.0. And at 0.8 this year, he’s well on his way to another ~2 fwar season.

    But yea: that deal looked solid at the time, for the Braves, and looks even better now with Foltynewicz’s emergence.
    It was always one of the better gambles/deals that Hart/Coppy did. Former top prospect with plus stuff for a backup catcher/DH. Braves had no need for that player and turned it into a good lottery ticket that seems to finally have the correct numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    He was also 0.9 last year (after 2.7 in 2016), which is pretty close to 1.0. And at 0.8 this year, he’s well on his way to another ~2 fwar season.

    But yea: that deal looked solid at the time, for the Braves, and looks even better now with Foltynewicz’s emergence.
    i'm just not giving wren credit for coppy making a really good deal to unload a player like gattis. it's not like gattis was/is some great player who obviously would net a guy like folty.
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    Not trolling... Wren left Coppy in a really good spot to be successful for a rebuild

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Not trolling... Wren left Coppy in a really good spot to be successful for a rebuild
    meh. not really.
    no pitching anywhere. poor drafting. heyward (wasn't here because of wren anyways) and upton had 1 year left before FA.
    we had a bad farm system and few young, controllable assets (heyward and upton weren't).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    meh. not really.
    no pitching anywhere. poor drafting. heyward (wasn't here because of wren anyways) and upton had 1 year left before FA.
    we had a bad farm system and few young, controllable assets (heyward and upton weren't).
    other than Acuna, Albies and Camargo you are spot on about the farm system

    also there were players drafted or acquired by Wren that were of some value as trade chips--Simmons, Wood, Justin Upton, Gattis. Not all of those chips were wisely used.

    We also had the team friendly extension to Kimbrel that enhanced his trade value
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    other than Acuna, Albies and Camargo you are spot on
    when all a team needs is 3 players and 0 pitchers, let me know.
    it's kind of crazy how little young ML talent was on the roster when wren departed. even crazier the complete lack of pitching pretty much anywhere in the organization.
    who were the young, controllable ML assets when wren was fired? simmons, gattis, wood and ..?
    i would hesitate to say any org that is devoid of any pitching at all is set up nicely for a rebuild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    other than Acuna, Albies and Camargo you are spot on about the farm system

    also there were players drafted or acquired by Wren that were of some value as trade chips--Simmons, Woods, Justin Upton, Gattis. Not all of those chips were wisely used.

    We also had the team friendly extension to Kimbrel that enhanced his trade value
    And of course it's a lot easier to draft when you have top 5 picks every year

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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    And of course it's a lot easier to draft when you have top 5 picks every year
    this a bad argument every time it's made.
    soroka was drafted in the last 1st. better pick than any of the pitchers wren drafted.
    our picks after the 1st round have been better than most of wren's picks in the 1st.
    he drafted poorly.

    it's also fairly telling that the best thing wren "did" (the int'l market) is the part that the GM likely has the least direct control over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    And of course it's a lot easier to draft when you have top 5 picks every year
    good point

    our top pick in in 2014 was #32, in 2013 #31, in 2012 #21, in 2010 #28, and in 2009 #35

    the expected return in those spots is much lower than the top 10 picks we have been enjoying the last few years...people overlook that
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