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    Wilson having another good start.. 1st inning troubles, but settled in and is pitching well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ24 View Post
    Pache is clearly the Braves number 1 prospect.
    He's one of our best, but he's not clearly #1... Wright and Waters are ahead of him at least

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    He's one of our best, but he's not clearly #1... Wright and Waters are ahead of him at least
    I love Waters but him being above Pache is debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ball4life32 View Post
    I love Waters but him being above Pache is debatable.
    Yes, its debatable, that's why I put my opinion of the debate on the message board talking about said topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Yes, its debatable, that's why I put my opinion of the debate on the message board talking about said topic.
    Yeah because that’s clearly what I meant. “Ahead of him at least” sounds like it was consensus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ball4life32 View Post
    Yeah because that’s clearly what I meant. “Ahead of him at least” sounds like it was consensus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bravesfanMatt View Post
    Wilson having another good start.. 1st inning troubles, but settled in and is pitching well...
    one of our 4 top prospects imo....the top 4 for me are Pache, Wright, Allard and Wilson...in that order
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    one of our 4 top prospects imo....the top 4 for me are Pache, Wright, Allard and Wilson...in that order
    Riley got some left to prove more than those ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    Riley got some left to prove more than those ?
    strikeout rate is a red flag for Riley
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    one of our 4 top prospects imo....the top 4 for me are Pache, Wright, Allard and Wilson...in that order
    Best pitching prospects:
    1. Anderson
    2. Touki
    3. Wright
    4. Allard

    Position:
    1. Riley
    2. Pache
    3. Waters
    4. Cumberland/Contreras

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Best pitching prospects:
    1. Anderson
    2. Touki
    3. Wright
    4. Allard

    Position:
    1. Riley
    2. Pache
    3. Waters
    4. Cumberland/Contreras
    I...in no way...want to see Pache or Waters traded unless it’s for someone like DeGrom. I think both are special.

    Pache could be called up right now and do better than Ender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBravos View Post
    I...in no way...want to see Pache or Waters traded unless it’s for someone like DeGrom. I think both are special.

    Pache could be called up right now and do better than Ender.
    This is an absurd statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    This is an absurd statement.
    I should have stated “As good as”, but you don’t think Pache could bat .240 with elite defense?? That’s not really a bold statement lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBravos View Post
    I should have stated “As good as”, but you don’t think Pache could bat .240 with elite defense?? That’s not really a bold statement lol.
    2 questions...what do you expect from Ender the rest of this season...what would you expect from Pache if he were to take Enders spot
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    2 questions...what do you expect from Ender the rest of this season...what would you expect from Pache if he were to take Enders spot
    I expect Ender to “hopefully” go on a streak or two and up his average in the .260 range and provide elite defense.

    I would expect Pache to bat in the .220-.240 range and provide elite defense, but with more power.

    I’m not advocating for this to happen btw. I was simply stating that I do NOT want Pache traded. Because of his elite D he could literally be called up now if a few major injuries happened. Not that i want that. He needs another year to year and a half in the minors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBravos View Post
    I should have stated “As good as”, but you don’t think Pache could bat .240 with elite defense?? That’s not really a bold statement lol.
    Given that he’s just now figuring out High A and hasn’t shown the ability to draw walks, no I don’t think he could hit .240 in the bigs right now. Ender is still on pace to be worth 2 WAR. I have genuine doubts that Pache would even be a replacement level player until he’s had more time to work on hitting.

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    I've honestly been wondering if this is just going to be Pache. After starting pretty badly for his first 15 games in the A+ level he's actually OPS'd at .806 since for 66 games and heck...after an awful first 6 games, it's been a .783 OPS. The Florida State League is a pretty significant power suck, so his having 30 XBH already is pretty telling for his swing adjustment. The only problem is walks.

    I don't know that it happens this year, but he's still a guy in which I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to Mississippi and his FINALLY true breakout is there. I also wouldn't be surprised if he goes there and he pretty much does just about the same, or maybe adds a few more walks and about +.020 on the slugging and other than that, that's it for the changes.
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    Aggression with prospects is fine, but being stupid is not. There should be a way to find a happy medium between a Pirates like idea of being overly cautious with prospects and going stupidly fast with prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mqt View Post
    Given that he’s just now figuring out High A and hasn’t shown the ability to draw walks, no I don’t think he could hit .240 in the bigs right now. Ender is still on pace to be worth 2 WAR. I have genuine doubts that Pache would even be a replacement level player until he’s had more time to work on hitting.
    Again, I was not saying I want Ender gone and Pache up lol. Just stating I don’t want Pache traded.

    In saying that, I think Pache will be the better player easily two years down the road. I like Ender btw a lot , so that’s not saying anything negative towards him.

    Talking “what if’s” right now is pointless. If Pache was called up right now, there would have to be something catastrophic happen AND we were contenders with a small window (like the Nats did with Soto).

    The last thing I would want to happen would be for Pache’s growth to be stunted because of too little reps in the minors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBravos View Post
    I should have stated “As good as”, but you don’t think Pache could bat .240 with elite defense?? That’s not really a bold statement lol.
    No. He has a.300 obp in A ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    No. He has a.300 obp in A ball.
    .313* and rising. (4 walks in last 6 games)
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