FTFYOriginally Posted by Braves1976
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Braves1976 (08-17-2018), jpx7 (08-17-2018)
Checking the box every half hour or so. Dude’s really been an unmitigated disaster, huh?
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
Newk didn't pitch well in this game, but I'm still not pinning the first 3 runs on him when a weak pop fly fell. Although you should pick up your defense from time to time.
Aggression with prospects is fine, but being stupid is not. There should be a way to find a happy medium between a Pirates like idea of being overly cautious with prospects and going stupidly fast with prospects.
You were saying?
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
I was saying 10-2 is not even in the same universe as 24-4.
Newk is doing a great job making what has been a pretty good season look awful. Dude needs to just damn pitch and do it well.
Tonight’s likely loss wouldn’t be a huge deal had we won the game yesterday... thanks, swanson.
Not panicking yet!
The “stuff #4” showed why the “#4” is in his description tonight.
Hopefully Folty can play the role of stopper.
We talking about Newcomb or Culberson?
Managuarantano's Volunteers (08-18-2018)
Folty, Newcomb and Guasman. They all have great stuff. They also have one thing in common. We are waiting for them to make that next step. They show flashes. We have seen them dominate. We have seen the go four innings. They all can be considered above average. Can we really have three of the same type of pitchers in the rotation?
We know a big trade is coming. In fact, by the numbers...a big trade has to happen. So which guys do you trade? My suggestion is to trade one of the three above.
Wright, Touki, Wilson and Anderson have had more success in the minors than the guys in our rotation EVER did and at a younger age. I really hope none of these guys are moved.
Gohora, Soroka and Weigel have lost too much value and honestly are probably worth more to us as even a great bullpen peice than to be traded. We know Soroka probably won’t be moved.
That leaves Allard (who has lost value) and Fried.
Because of this, that leaves us adding a position player in a deal that we do NOT want to see happen (Pache, Waters, Riley). We do t have the future depth to do this.
If we traded one of Newk, Folty Gausman...we would still have plenty of talented arms to fill the rotation. We reset our clock also, by gaining years of control.
In the end I think Wright, Touki, Wilson (short term) should be given a chance , because they are showing more consistancy
and dominance than Newk and Folty ever have.
I don’t want us hold onto #3’s (the “could” be more) and trading #1’s, and 2’s....simply because of experience.
Position wise, imagine if we had three really good outfielders (but none as good as Acuna). We say “Yeah Acuna has had more success at a younger age in the minors and appears to be a long term better player than the guys starting right now, but the guys starting right now are above average players and have more experience....so let’s trade Acuna.”
It sounds crazy when stated. This is exactly what we are about to do with our pitchers.
I would trade Newk for someone like Happ, Pederson or Kepler. I think Folty and Gausman have reached a level Newk has not and may never reach. I would keep them.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
I realistically don't think Bryse has a starter's ETA that is too soon so I'd throw out of my mind the idea of seeing him soon. I'm very impressed with him but while yes, he's barely younger than Ronald Acuna, he still has stuff to work on that will lead to him realistically being an August 2019 ETA max, kind of like Touki this year (with him it was a surprise though). AA really rushing him has skewed expectations here.
OTOH we might see Kyle Wright have a shot at breaking camp as the 5th starter and unless he has a setback while pitching in the minors we will see him late May to June 1st at the latest.
You need at least eight starters so I wouldn't say we need to trade to give all of these guys room.
Aggression with prospects is fine, but being stupid is not. There should be a way to find a happy medium between a Pirates like idea of being overly cautious with prospects and going stupidly fast with prospects.
I said Newk was the odd man out and the next day he went out and almost threw a no hitter lol. My opinion hasn’t changed.
He and Folty throw a lot of pitches. We don’t need two guys like that in one rotation.
Newk for Happ is the trade that I think makes a tremendous amount of sense for us and the Cubs.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
Wison’s last start:
WP: Wilson (3-0) 8 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 13 K
Wright’s last start:
WP: Wright (2-1) 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 8 K (90 pitches)
Wilson has taken a few starts to get going at each level, but then has straight up dominated at every level. In fact, he might be the most consistent starter of any of our prospect arms.
The thing I like about Touki, Wilson and Wright. They have great stuff BUT they go deep in games. That is HUGE. You can’t be even a #2 and rarely get to the 6th inning.
All three of these guys will probably be ready at the beginning of the season next year.
Folty, Gausman, Touki, Wright, Wilson would be pretty killer. There is a problem.
Soroka...who I also love.
I like Soroka, Touki, Wright, Wilson better than Newk and Guasman. If you put a gun to my head...you could add Fried/Gohora in as a 5th starter and it wouldn’t worry me at all.
Not much experience there, and there will be a few that don’t pan out.
I sure hope they get a chance in OUR orginazation.
I’m just not going to be convinced that a guy that is still developing his secondary pitches is going to be ready to start that soon, so don’t even try to convince me. We’ll see Bryse next season, but it’s not going to be as early as you want it to happen.
It’s just going to work itself out next year, there isn’t seriously a problem of too many pitchers quite yet even if nothing is done other than let Anibal Sanchez walk (which I don’t think will be the case but still) as you’re going to need at least 8-10 pitchers that can start and yes, we’ll probably see your boy Bryse anyway, I just don’t want it to be too soon for him.
I mean, 2014 was not THAT far long ago. Appreciate the depth instead of trying consistently to trade it away because if you are not careful you can have a season like that with two guys being injured and bam.
Aggression with prospects is fine, but being stupid is not. There should be a way to find a happy medium between a Pirates like idea of being overly cautious with prospects and going stupidly fast with prospects.
Braves should not trade a minimum salary left hander with top of the rotation ceiling that made really big strides over the last season.
If they want to move him when he hits arbitration or bears the end of his control that works for me.
But trading him to make way for other prospects? Just because you haven’t seen those guys struggle yet?
Not wise.
Happ is also pre-arb. But a position player. Newcomb for Happ has no direct impact on payroll.
"I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."
"I am your retribution."
I call Newk a “stuff #4”, but that is still valuable, especially when he’s playing for league minimum. The best thing about pitchers with the “stuff #4” label is that they tend to maintain trade value because teams continue to dream on the “what if” scenario.
I would not be in favor of trading Newk while he is cheap, or before other young guys have proven capable of sticking in the rotation. So far, only Folty, Gaus and Julio have proven that. That’s only 4 proven MLB SP.
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