Madden Tourament mass shooting

[cajunrevenge]

https://livestreamfails.com/post/27783


4 dead including the gunman. 11 people shot.

[The Chosen One]

I've played smash bros tournaments at that place. It's an arcade bar/restaurant situated right on the riverfront. It's beautiful. Sad that this happened.

[57Brave]

Jared Yates Sexton
‏Verified account @JYSexton

You can arm teachers. You can hire more cops.

You can increase and improve security all you want. Until America’s obsession with guns and

its toxic masculine culture is addressed,

this is going to keep happening.

[Jaw]

Jared Yates Sexton
‏Verified account @JYSexton

You can arm teachers. You can hire more cops.

You can increase and improve security all you want. Until America’s obsession with guns and

its toxic masculine culture is addressed,

this is going to keep happening.

How would you define "toxic masculine culture?"

[Julio3000]

How would you define "toxic masculine culture?"

Yeah, there’s something about nearly every grudge-holding, emotionally-stunted weirdo being able to easily obtain the tools to effect mass murder that gets one thinking along those lines.

[Runnin]

How would you define "toxic masculine culture?"

I'll try.

Fat, poorly dressed men, who have probably never killed anyone, walking around with loaded automatic weapons strapped to their sides.

[nsacpi]

How would you define "toxic masculine culture?"

It all goes back to the Yamnaya, who transformed western culture from a more peaceful female-centered one to a violent, warrior-like, male-centered one.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/...cal-population

[57Brave]

How would you define "toxic masculine culture?"

I think there are so-so many aspects from the release valves males turn to as expressed by Runnin and Julio to divorce rates to repressed homosexuality
dad pleasing
etc etc etc

To me , personally ?
It begins with
the self imposed pressure to "man up" .

And other forms of baggage piled on us (M) from day one

What about you JAW? How would you define it?
I am sure we all have our own personal experience and definitions

[nsacpi]

I think there are so-so many aspects from the release valves males turn to as expressed by Runnin and Julio to divorce rates to repressed homosexuality
dad pleasing
etc etc etc

To me , personally ?
It begins with
the self imposed pressure to "man up" .

And other forms of baggage piled on us (M) from day one

What about you JAW? How would you define it?
I am sure we all have our own personal experience and definitions

you are underrating some old inventions...the wheel which led to the wagon...which occurred about the same time horses were domesticated and used in battle...life aint been the same since...take a look at your Y chromosome if you don't believe me

[57Brave]

Didn't see the article until after posting.

good points,

[Runnin]

you are underrating some old inventions...the wheel which led to the wagon...which occurred about the same time horses were domesticated and used in battle...life aint been the same since...take a look at your Y chromosome if you don't believe me

There is a good bit of lawlessness inherent in our culture. We don't care how people get rich. If they've got money we revere them. Rule breaking is in every US hero story. The lone wolf, non-conformist guy/gal who doesn't fit is the only one who can save the day. The hero usually has to break a bunch of laws along the way and we cheer him on. Trump was elected to be this kind of hero.

The feminine way is more democratic and operates within established social constraints.

[Runnin]

Didn't see the article until after posting.

good points,

me either

[nsacpi]

There is a good bit of lawlessness inherent in our culture. We don't care how people get rich. If they've got money we revere them. Rule breaking is in every US hero story. The lone wolf, non-conformist guy/gal who doesn't fit is the only one who can save the day. The hero usually has to break a bunch of laws along the way and we cheer him on. Trump was elected to be this kind of hero.

The feminine way is more democratic and operates within established social constraints.

American highlands culture is mostly derived from the Scots and scotch Irish with their code of honor and peculiar concept of liberty

eventually it will be eroded and swamped by immigration and internal migration...the long game...

look at parts of the country where immigration from Germany and Scandinavia was high and you will see a much less violent culture than areas where the Scots and scotch Irish were dominant

[57Brave]

This conversation is enlightening and necessary but, let's not let it get lost, this was a mass shooting.

Toxic masculinity is an issue unto itself and to my mind something to be dealt with . Societal shifts take generations. Witnessed by our ongoing racial divides.

We have the ability to immediately deal with the "shooting" aspect

[nsacpi]

This conversation is enlightening and necessary but, let's not let it get lost, this was a mass shooting.

Toxic masculinity is an issue unto itself and to my mind something to be dealt with . Societal shifts take generations. Witnessed by our ongoing racial divides.

We have the ability to immediately deal with the "shooting" aspect

Do we? In recent years the trend has been to introduce guns into more places. But we may be near a turning point. Even if we are at a turning point, I don't think it is realistic to expect rapid change.

[Jaw]

I think there are so-so many aspects from the release valves males turn to as expressed by Runnin and Julio to divorce rates to repressed homosexuality
dad pleasing
etc etc etc

To me , personally ?
It begins with
the self imposed pressure to "man up" .

And other forms of baggage piled on us (M) from day one

What about you JAW? How would you define it?
I am sure we all have our own personal experience and definitions

I'm not sure I would, or could, in any meaningful way. Nearly every "culture" has it's negatives. I look around at my own life and see women who have an equal say to the males in their families. I see female executives who are often the most valuable employees in their workplace. I see women routinely depicted as being the boss of the house in pop culture. I even see women entering ministry at a greater rate than men. It makes me wonder if defining our culture as either toxic or male is a lazy path. Also, I can't seem to convince myself that there is anything "masculine" about playing a video game.

I would rather judge each case on it's own merits. This one involves a kid shooting up video game competitors. I don't think it's breaking news to any of us that multiplayer video gaming has a toxic culture. I've played one of those mobile "battle royale" style multiplayer shooter games a few times. The things I heard on the chat were disturbing, and sounded like they came from the mouths of teens and pre teens. My suspicion is that this is part of the larger problem caused by online only communication. Youth aren't as socially mature as they have been in the past because less of their social interaction is in person than ever before. Words have consequences, until you can say whatever you want and then close the chat window without facing those consequences. You start combining that with broken homes, or "latch key" situations, or parents who don't look up from their phone very often, and you end up with a kid whose self worth is tied to how well he plays digital football.

[Jaw]

I'll try.

Fat, poorly dressed men, who have probably never killed anyone, walking around with loaded automatic weapons strapped to their sides.

I laughed, but I somewhat agree with you. There is a neo-gun culture out there that is a different world than the responsible gun culture that I grew up in.

*Also, automatic weapons are extremely rare, extremely difficult to obtain, and absurdly expensive.

[nsacpi]

I'm not sure I would, or could, in any meaningful way. Nearly every "culture" has it's negatives. I look around at my own life and see women who have an equal say to the males in their families. I see female executives who are often the most valuable employees in their workplace. I see women routinely depicted as being the boss of the house in pop culture. I even see women entering ministry at a greater rate than men. It makes me wonder if defining our culture as either toxic or male is a lazy path. Also, I can't seem to convince myself that there is anything "masculine" about playing a video game.

I would rather judge each case on it's own merits. This one involves a kid shooting up video game competitors. I don't think it's breaking news to any of us that multiplayer video gaming has a toxic culture. I've played one of those mobile "battle royale" style multiplayer shooter games a few times. The things I heard on the chat were disturbing, and sounded like they came from the mouths of teens and pre teens. My suspicion is that this is part of the larger problem caused by online only communication. Youth aren't as socially mature as they have been in the past because less of their social interaction is in person than ever before. Words have consequences, until you can say whatever you want and then close the chat window without facing those consequences. You start combining that with broken homes, or "latch key" situations, or parents who don't look up from their phone very often, and you end up with a kid whose self worth is tied to how well he plays digital football.

extended male adolescence is a thing...and for the most part it does not seem to be a good thing

[57Brave]

really !!!

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2...tphones/221116

[50PoundHead]

I'm with most here in recognizing that there is something toxic in the culture and it seems to be affecting men--especially young men--more than anyone else. Of course, when you think of all the young women who have eating disorders and the like, it's not a walk in the park for them as well.

The thing that is most pertinent here (at least to me) is that a person with a history of mental illness purchased a firearm legally. That's not saying that he couldn't have acquired the weaponry illegally and that the event wouldn't have happened, but for the life of me I can't figure out why there aren't more stringent background checks.