Starting Pitching in the Majors and Minors

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

Yeah probably not... I mean, he's shown periods of absolute dominance and brilliance in a rookie year, but yeah.. likely no value... The Chainz strikes again...

How is he still a rookie?

[zbhargrove]

How is he still a rookie?

Maybe not a rookie but he only had 100 IP last year. It's ridiculous to think he has no value... it's actually downright stupid.

[Acuña’s Bat Flip]

Maybe not a rookie but he only had 100 IP last year. It's ridiculous to think he has no value... it's actually downright stupid.

I doubt you'd get much for someone that walks so many batters. At this moment he has little trade value.

[Carp]

I doubt you'd get much for someone that walks so many batters. At this moment he has little trade value.

You have zero basis for this argument. Tyler Glasnow has had a worse career thus far than Newk and yet he was a centerpiece in the Archer deal.

[zbhargrove]

I doubt you'd get much for someone that walks so many batters. At this moment he has little trade value.

You're ridiculous. Most young pitchers walk a ton. Come back to me when you want to talk about something you're not emotional about.

[clvclv]

You have zero basis for this argument. Tyler Glasnow has had a worse career thus far than Newk and yet he was a centerpiece in the Archer deal.

Does this mean the Rays aren't using the omnipotent Value Scale everyone HAS TO go by these days?

I mean, His Highness constantly told us that an Archer deal for us would have had to include 3 of our top arms plus Pache/Riley and probably a sweetener. At one point I think he mentioned Acuna would have to be part of a deal for him.

I noticed he never mentioned anything about the Gausman deal not fitting what AA would have had to give up based on his FV numbers as well.

[Enscheff]

Does this mean the Rays aren't using the omnipotent Value Scale everyone HAS TO go by these days?

I mean, His Highness constantly told us that an Archer deal for us would have had to include 3 of our top arms plus Pache/Riley and probably a sweetener. At one point I think he mentioned Acuna would have to be part of a deal for him.

I noticed he never mentioned anything about the Gausman deal not fitting what AA would have had to give up based on his FV numbers as well.

LOL...so dense...so incredibly dense...

Do you even know what the Pirates gave up for Archer other than Glasnow? It was a huge package, the value of which is precisely in line with what everyone expected the Rays to get for Archer. You're just too dumb to understand the value of the package. We went over that package in detail at the time of the trade, evaluating the value exchanged as well as the equivalent package from the Braves. Maybe you should go read it and try to absorb some knowledge into that severely limited brain of yours...you might need to read it all multiple times.

And sure, let's evaluate the Gausman deal at the time it was made...

Braves get...

Gausman: less than 0.5 projected wins in 2018 rest of season, times 2 for contender's premium, minus the $1M he is owed is $5M-$10M in surplus value. Projecting 2.5 wins per season over the next 2 years of control at an estimated arb salary of $18M-$20M total is another ~$30M. That is a total surplus value in the range of $35M-$40M.

O'Day: injured in 2018, so -$3M in surplus value this year. Guaranteed $9M next year, and almost certainly would not be given that much money if he were a FA right now. At best his surplus value is 0, but it is almost certainly negative a few million bucks.

Orioles get...

$2.5M in international pool money, which is valued at roughly 2x-5x the amount. That's $5M-$10M in surplus value, maybe a bit more if there's a hot new international guy on the market.

Phillips: FV 40 is roughly $5M in surplus value.

Encarnacion: FV 40+ is roughly $5M-$10M in surplus value.

Cumberland: FV 45+ is roughly $10M-$15M in surplus value.

Zimmermann: FV 35+ is almost valueless.

Add that up and the Braves got ~$35M in surplus value with plenty of additional downside risk in O'Day, while the Orioles got $25M-$40M in surplus value.

The numbers match up perfectly yet again. And yet again, you prove to be the dumbest poster on these boards.

[clvclv]

LOL...so dense...so incredibly dense...

Do you even know what the Pirates gave up for Archer other than Glasnow? It was a huge package, the value of which is precisely in line with what everyone expected the Rays to get for Archer. You're just too dumb to understand the value of the package. We went over that package in detail at the time of the trade, evaluating the value exchanged as well as the equivalent package from the Braves. Maybe you should go read it and try to absorb some knowledge into that severely limited brain of yours...you might need to read it all multiple times.

And sure, let's evaluate the Gausman deal at the time it was made...

Braves get...

Gausman: less than 0.5 projected wins in 2018 rest of season, times 2 for contender's premium, minus the $1M he is owed is $5M-$10M in surplus value. Projecting 2.5 wins per season over the next 2 years of control at an estimated arb salary of $18M-$20M total is another ~$30M. That is a total surplus value in the range of $35M-$40M.

O'Day: injured in 2018, so -$3M in surplus value this year. Guaranteed $9M next year, and almost certainly would not be given that much money if he were a FA right now. At best his surplus value is 0, but it is almost certainly negative a few million bucks.

Orioles get...

$2.5M in international pool money, which is valued at roughly 2x-5x the amount. That's $5M-$10M in surplus value, maybe a bit more if there's a hot new international guy on the market.

Phillips: FV 40 is roughly $5M in surplus value.

Encarnacion: FV 40+ is roughly $5M-$10M in surplus value.

Cumberland: FV 45+ is roughly $10M-$15M in surplus value.

Zimmermann: FV 35+ is almost valueless.

Add that up and the Braves got ~$35M in surplus value with plenty of additional downside risk in O'Day, while the Orioles got $25M-$40M in surplus value.

The numbers match up perfectly yet again. And yet again, you prove to be the dumbest poster on these boards.

Make sure to let us all know when any of that translates to the jolt Gausman's given the Braves. Particularly the international funds that the Braves couldn't have spent in the first place.

Again, the numbers and projections are all fine and fun to talk about - unfortunately those guys are a long way away from contributing to even one win for the Baltimore organization.

Apparently they need to add a "Surplus Value" column to scoreboards and boxscores so we'll finally know who actually won the game since the Runs column is so antiquated.

[Enscheff]

Make sure to let us all know when any of that translates to the jolt Gausman's given the Braves. Particularly the international funds that the Braves couldn't have spent in the first place.

Again, the numbers and projections are all fine and fun to talk about - unfortunately those guys are a long way away from contributing to even one win for the Baltimore organization.

Apparently they need to add a "Surplus Value" column to scoreboards and boxscores so we'll finally know who actually won the game since the Runs column is so antiquated.

The pride you take in being consistently stupid is why you’re such a good little Trumpkin.

Poor attempt at moving the goal posts of your argument and setting up a straw man though. Nobody claimed Gausman hasn’t been huge. I was refuting your statement that the surplus value model didn’t hold up in the trade.

What a clown. Derp on Trumpkin, derp on.

[Tapate50]

I think it would be best if you two put each other on ignore