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    Kyle Wright's Stuff

    I was going to post this in yesterday's game thread, but the data was so weird I wanted to make a new thread so I could continue to monitor what's going on.

    Wright didn't throw enough pitches to make any concrete conclusions on any of them except maybe the FA, but here's what he showed in his 2 inning stint...

    FA: 94.6 mph (Grade 56.1), 1.0" XMov (Grade 26.5), 5.2" VMov (Grade 16.9)

    I'm afraid this FA is going to be a serious issue moving forward, which is odd because his 2454 RPM on the pitch is 3rd best on the team. Maybe it's an arm slot issue? It's almost like he throws it with side spin...like a football.

    If this is the amped up velocity out of the BP, then it's likely average velocity as a SP. Needless to say, if this movement data based on 16 FAs is correct, the 20 grade movement is not something I've ever seen on a FA thrown by a Braves pitcher. This is bottom of the scale horizontal movement. His rise on the FA is so bad it actually profiles as an average SI...problem is if the pitch was classified as a SI the horizontal movement is so bad it wouldn't even be on the scale at all (Grade -10.4).

    SL: 80.4 mph (Grade 32.0), 9.0" HMov (Grade 80+), -4.3" VMov (Grade 77.7)

    This is a slow slider with absolutely wipe out movement. We saw how it works against Bradley. This has to be graded a plus-plus pitch overall...it's nasty.

    FC: 85.0 mph (Grade 32.9), 2.9" XMov (Grade 63.4), -2.1" VMov (Grade 80+)

    A slow cutter with crazy movement. I have no other data on a cutter with negative vertical movement. I don't even know how to grade this pitch. It moves like a splitter with cutting glove side action instead of fading arm side action. We probably have to call it plus though, right?

    CH: 11.2 mph delta (Grade 66.8), 8.5" XMov (Grade 55.8), 3.2" VMov (Grade 56.9)

    Finally, a pitch that fits a normal profile! This is a 60 grade pitch overall.

    So we have a guy with a horridly straight fastball on both planes despite a good spin rate, a slow slider with elite movement, a cutter with off the charts sink, and a change that hovers around plus. I've analyzed hundreds of pitches from dozens of pitchers, and I've never seen anything like it. When I started this post the FA movement had me extremely discouraged, but that FA coupled with the crazy movement on everything else might end up being effective.

    I have no idea how to view Wright, so all I can do is take a wait and see approach.
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    At first, I thought that read as a 69 grade FA and was like... Niceeee....

    Then I read it as actually 16.9 and wooooo boy I was kinda in shock.


    Any way, another big thanks for doing this, man. Love these from you.
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    Just saw this in Kiley's chat this afternoon --

    Dustin: Thoughts on Kyle Wright? Minor league numbers aren’t eye-popping, but the Braves also didn’t waste much time getting him into the upper levels of their system. I certainly liked what little I saw out of him last night.

    Kiley McDaniel: I know the Trackman stuff for him is a little less than what scouts report, so the swing and miss may never match the 20-80 grades, but at a lower slot with a mid-90’s sinker, he can still be a mid rotation guy with 7-8 K/9

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    Can he start for Newcomb the next turn in the rotation? Or Wilson.
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    So another guy with better stuff than Julio

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    So another guy with better stuff than Julio
    we probably have 10 pitchers with better stuff rn
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    Just from my eye when I saw his fastball I thought it was terrible. Was displeased.

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    His stuff is amazing. He made the best team in baseball look bad for two innings.

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    Either Wright is some kind of freak or the small sample size is screwing with the results a bit. Either way it will be hard to predict anything from the data thus far. If the data is off due to the sample size then it's fairly useless. If he's a freak then it's hard to find others with comparable stuff to help with projections.

    One thing's for sure, that slider (it's almost like a horizontal hammer curve) is one NASTY pitch.

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    Kyle Wright for closer.

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    Kyle Wright for manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaw View Post
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    Oh En's is right, that slider he threw was one of the most nastiest wipe out pitches I have seen all year. If you look at Bradleys bat plane and the ball, it is like someone throwing a 50 footer and you swung early before it even got there. He had no chance of even touching it. He had the correct bat speed, but he was like 4 inches away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atl717 View Post
    Just from my eye when I saw his fastball I thought it was terrible. Was displeased.
    As always... very valuable insight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I was going to post this in yesterday's game thread, but the data was so weird I wanted to make a new thread so I could continue to monitor what's going on.

    Wright didn't throw enough pitches to make any concrete conclusions on any of them except maybe the FA, but here's what he showed in his 2 inning stint...

    FA: 94.6 mph (Grade 56.1), 1.0" XMov (Grade 26.5), 5.2" VMov (Grade 16.9)

    I'm afraid this FA is going to be a serious issue moving forward, which is odd because his 2454 RPM on the pitch is 3rd best on the team. Maybe it's an arm slot issue? It's almost like he throws it with side spin...like a football.

    If this is the amped up velocity out of the BP, then it's likely average velocity as a SP. Needless to say, if this movement data based on 16 FAs is correct, the 20 grade movement is not something I've ever seen on a FA thrown by a Braves pitcher. This is bottom of the scale horizontal movement. His rise on the FA is so bad it actually profiles as an average SI...problem is if the pitch was classified as a SI the horizontal movement is so bad it wouldn't even be on the scale at all (Grade -10.4).

    SL: 80.4 mph (Grade 32.0), 9.0" HMov (Grade 80+), -4.3" VMov (Grade 77.7)

    This is a slow slider with absolutely wipe out movement. We saw how it works against Bradley. This has to be graded a plus-plus pitch overall...it's nasty.

    FC: 85.0 mph (Grade 32.9), 2.9" XMov (Grade 63.4), -2.1" VMov (Grade 80+)

    A slow cutter with crazy movement. I have no other data on a cutter with negative vertical movement. I don't even know how to grade this pitch. It moves like a splitter with cutting glove side action instead of fading arm side action. We probably have to call it plus though, right?

    CH: 11.2 mph delta (Grade 66.8), 8.5" XMov (Grade 55.8), 3.2" VMov (Grade 56.9)

    Finally, a pitch that fits a normal profile! This is a 60 grade pitch overall.

    So we have a guy with a horridly straight fastball on both planes despite a good spin rate, a slow slider with elite movement, a cutter with off the charts sink, and a change that hovers around plus. I've analyzed hundreds of pitches from dozens of pitchers, and I've never seen anything like it. When I started this post the FA movement had me extremely discouraged, but that FA coupled with the crazy movement on everything else might end up being effective.

    I have no idea how to view Wright, so all I can do is take a wait and see approach.
    If he were able to tweak his arm angle to generate more movement, maybe grade 40-45 on each plane, without losing anything on any other pitches where would you put his upside then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    If he were able to tweak his arm angle to generate more movement, maybe grade 40-45 on each plane, without losing anything on any other pitches where would you put his upside then?
    I have to imagine whatever causes his SL and FC to have that crazy movement is precisely what causes his FA to have such terrible movement. Making a tweak to the FA could very likely make the off speed pitches less nasty.

    It's not like he's a flame thrower who would rely on a 94 FA with average movement anyways. I've never seen pitch data anything like Wright's, but my initial reaction is to let him lean more heavily on the SL and FC, while only spotting the FA.

    Seriously, nobody else throws a pitch with splitter sink and cutting action like Wright's cutter...I literally don't have any data on an cutter that has negative vertical movement...they simply don't exist at the MLB level. The movement on his slider is typically only achieved by crazy side-armers who throw 88 mph heaters..not 94 like Wright.

    Really I think we just need to see more data because the data we have so far is really odd...almost like the radar malfunctioned for a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklahomabrave View Post
    Ensheff did you ever do one for Touki? I remember looking forward to it and wasn’t sure if I missed it.
    http://www.chopcountry.com/forums/sh...l=1#post528201

    It probably needs to be updated now that Touki has thrown quite a few more pitches

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I have to imagine whatever causes his SL and FC to have that crazy movement is precisely what causes his FA to have such terrible movement. Making a tweak to the FA could very likely make the off speed pitches less nasty.

    It's not like he's a flame thrower who would rely on a 94 FA with average movement anyways. I've never seen pitch data anything like Wright's, but my initial reaction is to let him lean more heavily on the SL and FC, while only spotting the FA.

    Seriously, nobody else throws a pitch with splitter sink and cutting action like Wright's cutter...I literally don't have any data on an cutter that has negative vertical movement...they simply don't exist at the MLB level. The movement on his slider is typically only achieved by crazy side-armers who throw 88 mph heaters..not 94 like Wright.

    Really I think we just need to see more data because the data we have so far is really odd...almost like the radar malfunctioned for a bit.
    I could be wrong, but I think I remember Kyle Hendricks having something similar to that cutter. I think he called it a "cut-changeup" or something like that. It was a changeup that had opposite movement to a circle change, meaning that it had glove side run on it. I wonder if what Wright is doing is similar to that.

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