jpx7 (09-11-2018)
bump in light of Trout
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Trout signed a 6 year/144 mil extension still in arb.
6 year/120 with an option to buy a FA year out?
I would offer Acuna 9 years 120 million split up as 10 million a year for his first 3 years and 15 million a year for the last 6. Pretty sure that would be a record contract for a player with his service time by a mile so I think a good offer. I dont care how great Acuna is there is always risk. Lets not forget they Heywood debacle. We were ready to give him a blank check at this point in his career. I know 120 million is nothing compared to a huge FA contract but a lot can happen between now and then. Maybe I should offer 20 million a year in his last 3 years, the way salaries are going thats going to be what 15 million is now by that point.
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I’d start at 10/160 for Acuña and go from there. Would be willing to go to 10/200.
Actual numbers with respect to a potential Acuna extension:
A realistic extension is likely 7/90 (6 control years plus 1 FA year at $30M) to 8/120 (2 FA years at $30M), perhaps with 1-2 options for $30M+ tacked on the end. Acuna will still want to hit FA before he turns 30. If some of the extra payroll space from this year is used to move part of that contract into 2019/2020, I would be in favor of that tactic.
Last edited by Enscheff; 03-19-2019 at 11:04 AM.
i'd try to go long
opening offer 10 years 170-180M
willing to go up to 200M
he and his agent might prefer something shorter, which we should be willing to explore as well
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jpx7 (03-19-2019)
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The last thing Acuna's agent wants to do after seeing how badly players do in the FA market at age 30+ is hit the FA market in this 30s.
Securing a huge payday through his arb years in exchange for 1-2 discounted FA years is the most a competent agent should be willing to give up.
The good news is the recent strife in the FA market may have made players a little more likely to take these discounted extensions. Players have been trending towards going year to year the last 4-5 years, but the last year or so has seen their appetite for risk change a little. Extending Acuna is now more likely than it was less than a year ago.
I think we should prioritize extending Acuna through his age 28 season. I agree with Scheff that its unlikely we'd get longer than that. But I think that we could definitely buy out 1-2 of his free agent years in exchange for guaranteeing a little more money in his first 6 years. But its possible that Acuna would rather bet on himself.
I think the longest we can get if he'd sign is through his age 28 season. Doubt he signs a deal that would put him at his 30's hitting FA. Best case is getting 1 or 2 FA years bought out.
Still wouldnt be surprised if he pulls a Harper/Machado and just takes it year by year.
Acuna's existing deal is about as good a bargain as you could ask for.
I'd be content to ride it for a bit longer while we confirmed what he is or isn't.
I think this approach would be overly risk averse. Every year that he succeeds and every year of service time he eats up, the price gets higher and eventually you get to a point where it doesn't make sense for him to accept an extension.
For a player of Acuna's age, he is as much of a sure thing as you'll ever see. I just don't think its necessary to take a wait and see approach if the opportunity to lock him in for 7-8 years presents itself. Its easily worth the risk of guaranteeing those early dollars in my mind.
The 8/120 suggestion makes a whole lot of sense for both parties and I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.
jpx7 (03-19-2019)
Yeah what Beanie said. If it could happen, you do it now. If Acuna wins the MVP this year, it's only gonna cost that much more to even try to extend him.
Didn't Freeman sign 7 /114? 8 yr 120 would be fantastic.
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