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    All-Duvall Team

    Since, bless his heart, Adam Duvall has descended into the abyss of Epic Fail since his acquisition, I got bored and curious enough to see how he stacked up with some of the historically bad choices the Braves have made along the way. To be fair, I've also begun working on a list to see what some of the best pickups were.

    First, our DUVALL ALL-STARS:

    Len Barker (August 25th, 1983) traded by Cleveland Indians to Atlanta for 3 players to be named and $150 K. Rick Behenna sent Sept. 2, Brett Butler sent Oct. 21; Brook Jacoby Oct. 21. He won exactly one game in six starts down the stretch as the Braves failed to defend their division title by four games.

    Bench 2012: Braves actually made moves to come up with the worst bench in baseball in 2012. Bookend fails .. Lyle Overbay (free agent Aug. 20), Jeff Baker (trade on Aug. 31 for AA pitcher). Braves lost division by 4 games, Overbay was 2/20, Baker 2/19 with a combined one double and one RBI and neither came off the bench in the WC loss to the Cardinals.

    Mark Davis (july 21, 1992), 3 years after winning Cy Young, Braves acquired Davis, sending 37-year-old Juan Berenguer to the Royals. Davis as a Brave had no saves and a 7.02 ERA in just 14 games. But his fail led to one of the BEST stretch pickups (see accompanying post).

    Todd Hollandsworth (Aug. 29, 2005): Only 32, Hollandsworth should have still been in him prime, and was hitting a respectable .254 when acquired from the Cubs for a minor leaguer. There was scarcely a pulse, as he drove in only one run in 35 at-bats (.171, 6 for 35) and was not used for the division series in which the Braves lost three of four to end their season.

    Adam Duvall (July 30, 2018): You seldom see a player fall off the cliff, talent-wise, at age 29, but does anyone expect Duvall to right this ship after hitting below .200 all season? His ratio was 100 strikeouts to 68 hits with the Reds, but at least he made his hits count for 61 RBIs. At this writing, he has been worse than dismal as a Brave, 4-for-43 (.093) with no extra base hits, no RBIs and 13 strikeouts.

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    There are others. Your input is welcome. There were several who were close but no cigar in my mind, but you easily make an argument against others. But these two do not go onto the list:

    There is an ongoing perception that the pickups of Dan Uggla and Derek Lowe were major fails, but history reminds us differently. Uggla, picked up before the 2011 season with one year left on his existing deal, hit 36 home runs and drove in 82 despite a .233 average -- overall making it a very worthwhile trade. BUT that season seduced the Braves to offer the 32-year-Uggla a four-year deal worth over $50 million -- THAT was the fatal mistake. As late as June 6, coming off a two-homer, five RBI game, he was hitting a productive .272 and was named an All-Star. But the bottom fell out ... he was homerless for the month after June 9th and his average was down to .235. He hit .160 for June, .115 for July (9 for 78) and .207 for August. And 2013 was even worse. He was released midway through the 2014 season with a $13 million payday for 2015 still on the books.

    Lowe was merely a free agent signee, and gave them solid seasons of 15-10 and 16-12 (albeit with a high ERA) before leading the league in defeats in 2011. Even then, he led the NL by making 34 starts.
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    it could be he has fallen off a cliff

    it could be a small sample thing

    I think the latter is more likely...The Adam Duvall who played for the Reds in 2018 can help us...I hope he gets some games after we clinch to regain some sharpness
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

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    I'd blocked out the memory of Hollandsworth and Overbay. Those guys were awful.

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    Re-Acquiring a washed up Terry Pendleton to be a non-hitting DH/PH has to rank up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Re-Acquiring a washed up Terry Pendleton to be a non-hitting DH/PH has to rank up there.
    As someone stated in an earlier thread... Duvall's primary contribution (and it has turned out to be an important one) was to light a fire under Ender and bring him back to life. He didn't want to platoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Re-Acquiring a washed up Terry Pendleton to be a non-hitting DH/PH has to rank up there.
    In 42 games, TP hit .204-4-17 with 36 strikeouts. A notch above the above list -- but only one notch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    In 42 games, TP hit .204-4-17 with 36 strikeouts. A notch above the above list -- but only one notch.
    Nate McLouth belongs on this list somewhere IMO.

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    I know batting average is far from the best stat for grading a hitter, but getting a guy who was struggling to reach the Mendoza line was not a smart move on paper, imo.

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    Umm...we had a great bench in 2012. Talk about cherry picking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    Umm...we had a great bench in 2012. Talk about cherry picking.
    Then why did those guys get 39 at-bats the final month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    Then why did those guys get 39 at-bats the final month?
    Because we already had a playoff spot locked up?

    That bench had Hinske, Ross, Reed Johnson, Diaz, and Juan Francisco. Also, Jack Wilson was a stud defensive sub. You're reaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    Jack Wilson was a stud defensive sub.
    Wilson also booted that DP ball the final game that scored a run vs Philly costing Huddy a win as it set up Kimbrel's blown save. Kimbrel saves it if he had two run lead instead of one. Then Fredi went with Linebrink to lose it in extras and Linebrink after that season told MLB radio that Fredi had him warm up in virtually every game he didn't pitch the final months. This caused Linebrink to have to sit out and eventually announce his retirement after that collapse was completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    Because we already had a playoff spot locked up?

    That bench had Hinske, Ross, Reed Johnson, Diaz, and Juan Francisco. Also, Jack Wilson was a stud defensive sub. You're reaching.
    Yeah that was a great bench... overbay and baker were just cheap pickups with hope of catching some lightning in a bottle... calling the 2012 bench a fail is just weak

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braves1976 View Post
    Wilson also booted that DP ball the final game that scored a run vs Philly costing Huddy a win as it set up Kimbrel's blown save. Kimbrel saves it if he had two run lead instead of one. Then Fredi went with Linebrink to lose it in extras and Linebrink after that season told MLB radio that Fredi had him warm up in virtually every game he didn't pitch the final months. This caused Linebrink to have to sit out and eventually announce his retirement after that collapse was completed.
    Cool story. Not really sure what that has to do with our 2012 bench.

    Anyway, I see Wilson was released before the final month in 2012. He was never much of a hitter, but could always pick it. That 2012 bench was solid.

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    I'd forgotten how tense the 1992 WS was. It all came back looking at the box scores and PBP.

    I think I blamed Reardon for the blown save in Game 2 and then somewhat unfairly didn't appreciate him giving up the walk off hit in Game 3. He came in the game with bases loaded and one out and the OF drawn in. Doesn't look like he pitched again in the Series.

    (I never have been able to muster much residual good feeling about Charlie Leibrandt because he didn't get the job done in extra innings of consecutive World Series Game 6. I love Alejandro Pena probably beyond his actual abilities and performance because he shut down the Pirates).
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    Luis Polonia was great in the 95 World Series

    My bad...Guess this should have gone in the Gausman thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by rico43 View Post
    Then why did those guys get 39 at-bats the final month?
    29 of those 39 came in the last half of the month, including 18 in the final series.

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    The 2014 bench is the one Rico should’ve used. We acquired Ryan Doumit to be a versatile, switch-hitting bopper off the bench and he proceeded to slash .197/.235/.318/.553 with only 5 homers. That bench also had Ramiro Pena and Jordan Schafer who couldn’t hit their way out of a wet paper sack. Oh, and don’t forget about Emilio Bonafacio, our big deadline acquisition. That bench was one of the big reasons we collapsed in the 2nd half that year. Zero depth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyYoung31 View Post
    The 2014 bench is the one Rico should’ve used. We acquired Ryan Doumit to be a versatile, switch-hitting bopper off the bench and he proceeded to slash .197/.235/.318/.553 with only 5 homers. That bench also had Ramiro Pena and Jordan Schafer who couldn’t hit their way out of a wet paper sack. Oh, and don’t forget about Emilio Bonafacio, our big deadline acquisition. That bench was one of the big reasons we collapsed in the 2nd half that year. Zero depth.
    Uggg that makes me want to vomit. Guess I blocked out of my mind how terrible that bench was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
    29 of those 39 came in the last half of the month, including 18 in the final series.
    Not to mention that's not that many at bats split between multiple players lol

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