Last edited by Carp; 11-28-2018 at 05:48 PM.
Max has barely enough time to exhaust his rookie status and was ranked 78th on Fangraph's top 100. He put up a 2.93 ERA with a 3.24 xFIP since he exhausted it. I can't imagine he has lost value since being removed from the top 100. At worst, he is still right around the same value which is about 22 million.
Edit: I wouldn't call 22 million tremendously valuable, but the 5 years of control we have over Fried is certainly more valuable than the 1 year of control over Bumgarner.
Last edited by BeanieAntics; 11-28-2018 at 05:47 PM.
Which is perfectly understandable, and I haven't really looked at rotation options that fit the value charts better - to be honest, I don't see much need to fiddle with the rotation unless it's at the top - MadBum's just a popular subject (as is Greinke). Right or wrong, I'd rather gamble on Bumgarner somehow (unimaginably) stumbling back into his former form and catching lightning in a bottle than try to work out something unbelievably complicated to get Greinke and Peralta - simply because the money owed Greinke could easily completely ruin a mid-market team like the Braves if things happen to start going bad (it's certainly done that to Arizona).
Pretty interesting discussion on XM today that kinda goes along with some points I've made before. Considering you're always gambling on health to begin with and we just got who could be "the answer" we've been looking for for a long time in Donaldson, try this one on for size. Imagine Donaldson returns to relative health and All-Star level performance this year. Is there ANYBODY you'd rather have hitting behind Freddie (within reason, of course)? Rather than sinking fairly substantial money in what most everyone agrees as imperfect options in Brantley or McCutchen, make a move for Pederson to platoon with Duvall (or simply pick up Joyce). Doing so still keeps Camargo as our version of Gonzalez (stronger bench), but also leaves those funds free in the event Donaldson shines and you try to buy out his next two seasons for around $50 million.
AA has already said they're going to get OF mitts for both Johan and Riley before camp opens anyway. There are your options for LF in 2020 - and maybe you move Pederson next winter (if you went and got him for this season) to get a couple prospects back. That gives you a 2020 and 2021 lineup of Acuna, Ozzie, Freddie, Donaldson, Riley, Catcher, Ender/Pache, Dansby.
If we're assuming the window is now wide open and this is the time to "go for it", wouldn't you much rather have Freddie, Donaldson (assuming health), and Riley in 2020 and 2021 than Freddie, Brantley/McCutchen/Riley??? The $15 million you DON't spend on Brantley or McCutchen combined with Julio's commitment disappearing allows you to pay for Donaldson. Take the $25-ish million we assume AA has at his disposal now and go get one of the Cleveland guys to front the rotation for the duration of time you'll have Acuna, Freddie, and Donaldson together and get one of the guys to seriously upgrade the back-end for those three years and see how far you can go.
That doesn't fit the perpetual competitor dream (which I think is more dead than people want to admit), but would give you a *elluva chance at being a legitimate contender for three solid years - which is probably a more realistic goal anyway. Think about how ga-ga everybody was over the Cubs were set up not so long ago, and look at where they are today.
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The Cubs certainly appeared to be set up for an extended window and it appears to have shrunk significantly. But I think they made several mistakes along the way that contributed to them shortening their window.
The Chapman and the Quintana trades along with the Heyward signing being the biggest examples of that. I think they just gave up too much future value for the sake of going for it. Its possible that they wouldn't have won the WS without the Chapman trade, but I think they could have still gotten it done with a more moderate swap or a swap for a longer term asset. Instead of keeping one eye on the present and one eye on the future, they locked in on winning in the present and I think that will cost them what could have been a longer window. So I'm not sure they disprove the notion of being able to consistently compete in today's climate (or at least have have 5+ year windows).
So far, it seems like AA has done a fantastic job of building a competitor and he hasn't sacrificed a single prospect that I've missed. He seems to be finely tuned to the notion of getting good value for every move. Basically, he seems like he's a master of buying without mortgaging the future. I expect to see more of the same in the future. I don't see him making a deal unless he thinks it'll be a good value.
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saying fried has no place on the team is kinda dumb.
the thirst for bumgarner is because he’s a world series MVP in his prime, duh!
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Bowman said the Braves continue to show interest in Corbin and it would cost Pache/Wright/Touki for Kluber. Whew.
And Britton is more likely than Kimbrel.
Last edited by Heyward; 11-28-2018 at 07:43 PM.
Why has no one created a thread about the trade today between the Braves and Mariners. Huge.
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Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?
Has there EVER been a statement and question a certain someone should absolutely never have made and asked publicly more than...
Kinda pathetic to see yourself as a message board knight in shining armor. How impotent does someone have to be in real life to resort to playing hero on a message board?