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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    What does a sonny gray trade look like? Sorry if it's been discussed already
    Hard to gauge....there are a lot of teams that view him as a good bounce back candidate, a guy that just couldn't make it work in New York. His numbers were stellar outside of Yankee Stadium...
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    Flowers/Riley and an Allard/Fried/Gohara/Wilson type?

    Too much, too little, just right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ9 View Post
    Mish: There are indications that the Marlins do want a veteran presence at Catcher with their young staff. Holaday/Wallach certainly would be in that mix & are great receivers but potentially as a backup to either a player via trade or FA acquisition.


    So there's how we make this trade. Flowers would almost certainly be included with Riley and whatever else.
    There's the wrinkle that might make it all work out for the Braves. Not only does it upgrade C, but it also ends being close to salary-neutral since Flowers is making $4M in 2019.

    Flowers/Riley/Pitcher for JTR. Adds $2M to payroll.

    Pitcher for Gray/Frazier. Adds $9M to payroll.

    Dump Duval, sign a LHH 4th OFer. Adds no salary to payroll.

    Wait for value BP additions in January. Adds $5M-$10M to payroll.

    Total opening day payroll ends up right around $125M, as projected months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Flowers/Riley and an Allard/Fried/Gohara/Wilson type?

    Too much, too little, just right?
    I make that trade if remove gohara from the choices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Flowers/Riley and an Allard/Fried/Gohara/Wilson type?

    Too much, too little, just right?
    I would do Riley/Gohara/Flowers. No more than that. I might swap out Jackson with Flowers in case they would rather have the young guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    There's the wrinkle that might make it all work out for the Braves. Not only does it upgrade C, but it also ends being close to salary-neutral since Flowers is making $4M in 2019.

    Flowers/Riley/Pitcher for JTR.

    Gohara for Gray/Frazier.

    Dump Duval, sign a LHH 4th OFer.

    Wait for value BP additions in January.
    yes pls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Flowers/Riley and an Allard/Fried/Gohara/Wilson type?

    Too much, too little, just right?
    I think that is pretty darn close. They get their veteran catcher for 2 years. Get a quality future 3b, and a quality arm in Fried/Gohara.Wilson....i'd prefer to move Allard in that deal as I don't think he is who we thought he was, but I don't think it'd get the deal done
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    The thing with possibly putting Flowers in the deal as Scheff said is you only gain about 2 mil in salary. Flowers makes 4, JT is projected to get 6.

    Gray had pretty good numbers away from YS but the Yankees apparently are asking for alot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    The thing with possibly putting Flowers in the deal as Scheff said is you only gain about 2 mil in salary. Flowers makes 4, JT is projected to get 6.

    Gray had pretty good numbers away from YS but the Yankees apparently are asking for alot.
    If the Yankees want a lot, no thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    There's the wrinkle that might make it all work out for the Braves. Not only does it upgrade C, but it also ends being close to salary-neutral since Flowers is making $4M in 2019.

    Flowers/Riley/Pitcher for JTR. Adds $2M to payroll.

    Pitcher for Gray/Frazier. Adds $9M to payroll.

    Dump Duval, sign a LHH 4th OFer. Adds no salary to payroll.

    Wait for value BP additions in January. Adds $5M-$10M to payroll.

    Total opening day payroll ends up right around $125M, as projected months ago.
    Or....

    Sign Happ. Adds $16M to payroll.

    Riley/Pitcher/filler for Haniger. Adds nothng to payroll.

    Dump Duval, sign a LHH 4th OFer. Adds no salary to payroll.

    Mostly rely on internal options for the BP. Adds no salary to payroll.

    Total opening day payroll ends up right around $125M, as projected months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I figured as much.

    Expect trade discussions to include Frazier as well.
    I'm warming up to the idea of getting Frazier. It's still a question as to whether he'll be able to make the jump to the majors but he's got talent and if he's going to break out and establish himself as a quality player, it's a good bet this is the year it happens.

    I wouldn't mind a trade for Gray and Frazier provided the cost is reasonable.

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    If the Marlins are wanting a vet catcher including Flowers in a JTR deal now makes some sense.

    Getting Donaldson and Realmuto would allow us to sit back and wait for the right deal on a corner OF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    If the Yankees want a lot, no thanks
    Agreed. Gray is not worth much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    If the Marlins are wanting a vet catcher including Flowers in a JTR deal now makes some sense.

    Getting Donaldson and Realmuto would allow us to sit back and wait for the right deal on a corner OF.
    Agreed. I don't prefer him, especially since we'll still have money to work with, but Markakis wouldn't be a terrible sign then.

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    AA on braves clubhouse report now on 680thefan

    Says a lot of calls on Camargo. as expected.

    Says not close on anything now. In contact with a few free agents, talking to a few clubs about corner outfielders...don't be surprised to go into the new year with no moves
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    Gray can't have much value. Teams generally aren't dumb either. He hasn't pitched over 170 innings in 3 years and fell out of their rotation last season. If they got more than a Alex Jackson/Freddy Tarnok type of prospect in return, I'd be very surprised. That is unless they attached Frazier to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Agreed. Gray is not worth much.
    My take as well. What's his surplus value look like? Frazier's as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCBlue012 View Post
    Agreed. I don't prefer him, especially since we'll still have money to work with, but Markakis wouldn't be a terrible sign then.
    Also worth mentioning that a lineup with JD, JTR and Acuna is pretty RHH heavy. Slotting a LHH into LF wouldn't be a bad idea at that point.

    Brantely would be nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Also worth mentioning that a lineup with JD, JTR and Acuna is pretty RHH heavy. Slotting a LHH into LF wouldn't be a bad idea at that point.

    Brantely would be nice...
    If we could afford him... look out.

    Acuna RF
    Donaldson 3B
    Freeman 1B
    Realmuto C
    Branley LF
    Albies 2B
    Ender CF
    Swanson SS

    That's definitely good enough to win it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    I've long suspected AA had a boner for Donaldson, and his quotes about JD being the key to the off season backs that up.

    I think JD was priority #1 all along, and signing Mac was a direct result of that. The quotes lumping Cutch, Markakis, and Cargo together as 1-2 year options tells me AA misread the cOF FA market a bit when making the overall off season plan. The fact they are probably one of the teams with a 2 year offer out to Happ tells me they misread the FA SP market a bit as well.

    If they thought they could get Cutch on a 1-2 year deal, and budgeted accordingly, then it is entirely possible the FA they sign for LF will be on a 1-2 year deal..and he will be a very underwhelming addition.

    They have probably circled the wagons a bit after the Cutch signing went down to regroup, which is why we are seeing the comments about patience now. They have to decide to either pony up prospect capital, or wait for a value FA to fall in their laps later in the off season. For a team trying to build off an NL East title, taking the chance on such a value FA addition presenting itself seems like a bad gamble to take...and ultimately end up with Cargo in LF.

    I don't think they went into the offseason fixated on Andrew McCutcheon.

    I think they probably had their sights on a number of guys and felt they could land someone for a deal they liked once the market began to resolve itself.

    I give AA enough credit to be as accurate on forecasting free agent deals as Kiley McDaniel, the dude from MLBTR, or Keith Law or the regular fan. I don't think AA is surprised that the market gave McCutcheon three years, because I don't think anyone was especially surprised he got three years.

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