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    I'll add Simba to the list. That would be a big upgrade at the weakest position, and the Angels seem destined to do a mini rebuild if they are keeping Trout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VirginiaBrave View Post
    Arod mentioned Harper again tonight. I don't think it should be dismissed as a pipe dream just yet. Whatever the case I hope the Braves only target guys in their prime, not guys like Donaldson, Posey, Perez, and Bumgarner. All those guys are broken down and past their prime. The Braves window is just opening, lets don't start closing it with a repeat of Wainwright, Tex, or Butler trades. We have been patient this long.
    While I don't think the finances are as much an issue as some do, I just think that if AA is going to play on that level Machado's the target - whether at 3B or SS. Machado's a Florida kid, so you have the pull of being closer to home. If he insists on playing SS, Dansby's still going to have a good bit of value if you packaged him in a deal when you consider how much his defense improved this year. I just don't think Atlanta is "bright lights, big city" enough for Harper personally.

    Machado would also make more sense because he'd fit the other moves you could make if you landed him so well.

    1.) Machado replaces Dansby.
    2.) Camargo shifts to LF, Acuna to RF, Markakis shifts to Baltimore.
    3.) Riley takes over at 3B.
    4.) Add Dansby to the package you offer Miami for Realmuto.

    Acuna, Albies/Ender, Freeman, Machado, Realmuto, Riley, Camargo, Albies/Ender

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    I also don't see the reasoning behind signing DK over CK, and I'm going to assume the Braves can only afford one of them. Like Bumgarner, DK would be an improvement in the rotation, but it seems like CK would be a bigger improvement in the BP.

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    I like the idea of Grandal even though he looks to be an overpay candidate. I think Realmuto is going to be very expensive.

    For an OF, I think a trade is more likely than a signing. Waters and Pache are a couple of years away from teaming up with Acuna. I'd shoot for a guy like Marte. Marte, Acuna, Ender and trade away Marte and Ender when Pache and Waters show they're ready.

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    Of the pipe dreams I like Machado a lot better than Harper. I have no idea how to value Harper and what hes worth. He had one insane year but there is some inconsistency going on. This was definitely a rough year for him and he was healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coredor View Post
    Of the pipe dreams I like Machado a lot better than Harper. I have no idea how to value Harper and what he’s worth. He had one insane year but there is some inconsistency going on. This was definitely a rough year for him and he was healthy.
    He had some luck issues with a 289 BABIP. But I wouldn't call a 135 WRC+ a rough year.

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    I dont see why we cant afford one big move like a Harper or Machado. Of the two I prefer Bryce because of the OBP. Harper gets on base and thats a skill I dont see diminishing. Machado's is one season away from a .310 OBP and he wasnt anything special with the Dodgers. We could trade Teheran and save 11 million right there. With that 1 year left and an option Julio should be easy to trade even if we dont get anything of value back.



    I think Bryce Harper could do better in a better environment. The Nats are just a loser organization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    I dont see why we cant afford one big move like a Harper or Machado. Of the two I prefer Bryce because of the OBP. Harper gets on base and thats a skill I dont see diminishing. Machado's is one season away from a .310 OBP and he wasnt anything special with the Dodgers. We could trade Teheran and save 11 million right there. With that 1 year left and an option Julio should be easy to trade even if we dont get anything of value back.



    I think Bryce Harper could do better in a better environment. The Nats are just a loser organization.
    what are you willing to offer Harper and Machado
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    Harper - 9 years 300 million - 33.0 million per year with an option for year 10 at 33 million with a 9 million buyout. Opt outs after years 3 and 6. Defer 10 million from each of the first 2 years until after Harper retires. Ideally revenue goes up a good bit from becoming a perennial winner and WS contender or he opts out after years 3 or 6. I think its a good bet he would opt out after year 3 or 6 unless he severely declines. So years 1 and 2 he would be making 23 million of which we can make up almost half that by dumping Teheran.



    Machado I would offer 7 years 210 million. Opt outs after year 3 and 5.




    With all the pitching prospects we have I think we can keep the pen and rotation relatively cheap. Plan to replace Ender with Pache when he is ready to save some money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunrevenge View Post
    Harper - 9 years 300 million - 33.0 million per year with an option for year 10 at 33 million with a 9 million buyout. Opt outs after years 3 and 6. Defer 10 million from each of the first 2 years until after Harper retires. Ideally revenue goes up a good bit from becoming a perennial winner and WS contender or he opts out after years 3 or 6. I think its a good bet he would opt out after year 3 or 6 unless he severely declines. So years 1 and 2 he would be making 23 million of which we can make up almost half that by dumping Teheran.



    Machado I would offer 7 years 210 million. Opt outs after year 3 and 5.




    With all the pitching prospects we have I think we can keep the pen and rotation relatively cheap. Plan to replace Ender with Pache when he is ready to save some money.
    harper more than machado? why?
    machado is getting way more than that.
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    Not really the right thread, but one offseason project I would like to see is a teardown and rebuilding of Ozzie Albies' approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50PoundHead View Post
    I doubt very much that the Twins will entertain any offers for Rosario. They might for Kapler.
    Twins have a lot of holes and Rosario has only 3 years remaining control. Maybe they try to extent him this off-season, but if not they'll most likely field offers for him, even if they don't actively try to trade him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Not really the right thread, but one offseason project I would like to see is a teardown and rebuilding of Ozzie Albies' approach.
    you're targeting a new approach; i'll allow it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Twins have a lot of holes and Rosario has only 3 years remaining control. Maybe they try to extent him this off-season, but if not they'll most likely field offers for him, even if they don't actively try to trade him.
    Are the Twins likely to compete in the next few years? They seem to be in the middle ground of competing and rebuilding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Twins have a lot of holes and Rosario has only 3 years remaining control. Maybe they try to extent him this off-season, but if not they'll most likely field offers for him, even if they don't actively try to trade him.
    I don't think the Twins are typically a club that looks to deal players in early arb years. I'd be pretty surprised if he is moved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I don't think the Twins are typically a club that looks to deal players in early arb years. I'd be pretty surprised if he is moved.
    They might be more open to trading Kepler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    harper more than machado? why?
    machado is getting way more than that.

    OBP. Like it. Love it. Want some more of it. Am not sold on Machado as more than a .350 OBP guy on average.
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    We need better hitters

    In an ideal world we would get a couple of lefties

    Ff is our only lh hitter.
    Neck should be gone. Carmago and Alvord better from right. Inciarte league avg in a good year.
    Riley is our only close bar and hes rh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    We need better hitters

    In an ideal world we would get a couple of lefties

    Ff is our only lh hitter.
    Neck should be gone. Carmago and Alvord better from right. Inciarte league avg in a good year.
    Riley is our only close bar and he’s rh
    Cant replace a whole lineup but we need a better starting C, OF to replace Markakis, and maybe 3B, even SS too.

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    No reason to replace Camargo and Swanson while they are cheap and playing good defense. Add a big bat for LF and trade for Realmuto and I think the offense is fine.
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    We all understand that Machado is not a short stop, right? Please tell me we understand that.

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