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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Pretty odd to make this statement and ignore Javy Baez' strikeout rate before he was called up - especially when you compare their OBPs at each level, no?
    And Baez wasn't very good when he first came up. Good lord you're stupid

    Big fan of -0.4 fWAR for his first 300+ plate appearances huh? And that's with good defense. That smart a$$ comment back fired didn't it? Like most of yours do.

    So what's odd about my statement other than it proved Baez wasn't ready?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Pretty odd to make this statement and ignore Javy Baez' strikeout rate before he was called up - especially when you compare their OBPs at each level, no?
    yeah dude baez wasn’t ready offensively at all. this is a good point if you were trying to argue the opposite of what you’re arguing.
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    Trio of Truculent Twits assssemmmmbbbbllllllle!!

    Comparing Baez to Riley is pretty stupid. One has a lightning quick bat and suffers from being too aggressive. The other...not so much.

    Iíll stick with the ďLamb from the other side of the plateĒ comp for Riley. That is nothing at all like Baez.

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    So is the consensus that the Mets just made about 3 trades involving nobody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super View Post
    yeah dude baez wasnít ready offensively at all. this is a good point if you were trying to argue the opposite of what youíre arguing.
    "The opposite of what you're arguing"?

    Please explain. K-Rates only matter when???

    If the argument is that Riley's not ready based on that particular stat, Baez was (and is) just as bad. High BABIPs, plenty of contact and hard-hit balls. Baez posted a .346 OBP and .344 ISO (180 wRC+) in 54 2013 AA games with a 28.8% K-Rate at an older age than Riley's .394 OBP and .343 ISO (162 wRC+) in 27 2018 games at the same level with a 25.7% K-Rate.

    Other than cherry-picking to make a point, why should Riley be viewed differently?

    Pick a stat and contain the argument to that - you guys pick one and then expand it to any of a thousand others.
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    Waters is intersting too. Would prefer a guy that projects to more power though. (2017 Draft Thread)

    If they don't make additions they can expect the same 3-5 win improvement they saw last year. That makes the Braves a 75-78 win team. (What's the best we could hope for in 2018?)


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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    "The opposite of what you're arguing"?

    Please explain. K-Rates only matter when???

    If the argument is that Riley's not ready based on that particular stat, Baez was (and is) just as bad. High BABIPs, plenty of contact and hard-hit balls. Baez posted a .346 OBP and .344 ISO (180 wRC+) in 54 2013 AA games with a 28.8% K-Rate at an older age than Riley's .394 OBP and .343 ISO (162 wRC+) in 27 2018 games at the same level with a 25.7% K-Rate.

    Other than cherry-picking to make a point, why should Riley be viewed differently?

    Pick a stat and contain the argument to that - you guys pick one and then expand it to any of a thousand others.
    I have no idea what kind of bizarre point you are arguing. It's pretty well documented that a 30% k rate in the minors is not going to to translate very well... but you're arguing just because I said something and you're looking even dumber because of it

    Riley shouldn't be viewed different. Baez was obviously not ready and neither is Riley...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    "The opposite of what you're arguing"?

    Please explain. K-Rates only matter when???

    If the argument is that Riley's not ready based on that particular stat, Baez was (and is) just as bad. High BABIPs, plenty of contact and hard-hit balls. Baez posted a .346 OBP and .344 ISO (180 wRC+) in 54 2013 AA games with a 28.8% K-Rate at an older age than Riley's .394 OBP and .343 ISO (162 wRC+) in 27 2018 games at the same level with a 25.7% K-Rate.

    Other than cherry-picking to make a point, why should Riley be viewed differently?

    Pick a stat and contain the argument to that - you guys pick one and then expand it to any of a thousand others.
    He shouldn't be. That is what everyone is saying. Baez was awful when he was called up and wasn't ready, so if anything its evidence that Riley might not be ready either. Plus comps between Riley and Baez are pretty crazy in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Camargos below average sprint speed doesnít inspire much confidence he will be a good defender in the OF any time soon.
    Joc Pederson and Marwin Gonzalez are in the same category and are positive defenders, so its certainly possible, though I would agree that certainly doesn't seem like a good sign that he'd be a positive defender. However, Camargo does play a passable SS, which tells me he is more athletic than nearly all of the players in his range.

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    I think AA is looking for the right deal and if he doesnít get it...heís fine going with Duvall (and maybe Riley) in right.

    We need to trade a few pitchers, but I also think heís willing to sit on those if the right deal is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    He shouldn't be. That is what everyone is saying. Baez was awful when he was called up and wasn't ready, so if anything its evidence that Riley might not be ready either. Plus comps between Riley and Baez are pretty crazy in the first place.
    Clvderpclv is too dumb to understand why his argument doesnít even support the point he was trying to make haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    "The opposite of what you're arguing"?

    Please explain. K-Rates only matter when???

    If the argument is that Riley's not ready based on that particular stat, Baez was (and is) just as bad. High BABIPs, plenty of contact and hard-hit balls. Baez posted a .346 OBP and .344 ISO (180 wRC+) in 54 2013 AA games with a 28.8% K-Rate at an older age than Riley's .394 OBP and .343 ISO (162 wRC+) in 27 2018 games at the same level with a 25.7% K-Rate.

    Other than cherry-picking to make a point, why should Riley be viewed differently?

    Pick a stat and contain the argument to that - you guys pick one and then expand it to any of a thousand others.
    what are you talking about. javy baez didn’t strike out 30% of the time in the minors last year. and as others have said the comparison doesn’t make sense for a variety of reasons, anyway. but i’ll play. before baez’s first big league action he struck out 30% of the time in the minors. he proceeded to be awful in 50+ games in the majors. baez’s first action was in 2014. he just had his first above average offensive season in 2018.

    as usual i have no clue what point you’re trying to make.
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    Man looking at stat cast I was surprised at how fast Adam Duvall's sprint speed is... big dude can flat out run. Was also surprised how fast Dansby is

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    We need something soon. We have guys looking at stat cast data on Duvall. Lean times guys.
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    Mish said on his podcast that 2 of the names he’s heard in the same deal are Riley and Anderson with a 3rd piece. Man I hope we can hang onto Anderson. It may not be the Marlins that is holding up a possible deal, it could be AA seeing what he can do on the trade front for a LF’er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Wrong, as usual...Dynamic Duo of Dumb strikes again! Derrrrp. The two of you should join up with garmel and create the Truculent Triumvirate of Twits! TToT assseemmmmmmbbbblllllleee!!!
    LOL! Looks like someone's off his meds again. Btw, how's next year's attendance looking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zbhargrove View Post
    Man looking at stat cast I was surprised at how fast Adam Duvall's sprint speed is... big dude can flat out run. Was also surprised how fast Dansby is
    Then this will make you feel better:


    Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Braves could turn to Adam Duvall as the starting left fielder if they're unable to acquire an outfielder.

    Duvall was acquired by the Braves in a deadline deal, and as Rosenthal notes, he really struggled with the Braves to the tune of a .344 OPS. He has shown well above-average power in his right-handed bat at times, however, and he's a competent defender in the corner outfield. His fantasy value obviously increases substantially if he's an everyday player, but because he doesn't hit for average or steal bases, he's essentially a one category player.
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    I really donít want Duvall to be the guy, but I think AA is comfortable (with the addition of Donaldson), to do that. He is a good defensive player and he ďmightĒ just come in and hit. We have only seen the absolute worse of him...which was pretty bad.

    If you look at what the Mets gave for Diaz, or what the Marlins and Indians have been asking....thatís a lot. Thatís a 3 or 4 for one get. Now most people donít have the farm we do, so when you ask for the top players ....itís a little less of a hit.

    I think AA likes his chances of our top farm guys creating more value than than what we would get in return. Itís all about value for him because of our budget. He will not over pay.

    Think about it. We have Folty, Newk, Gausman and Julio already. I think they hope all of those guys have better years. That leaves one spot that I have no doubt one of our young guys could fill. By doing that you could add two bulllen arms from Starters. Say a Fried, Wilson, Gohora type. I think if these guys knew their roll coming in to prepare for the season...they would do really well.

    Looking at the options and the high cost of them (at least at this point), I donít blame AA for standing pat. Giving away a package of Soroka, Pasche and Riley for say a Kluber would most likely bite us. One of those in that package will be an All Star. Giving away Soroka and Riley for JT is even crazy. Would two years of JT be worth more than five years of Soroka and five years of Riley (and six of the ten years at a cheap rate.)?

    I want to win now...I do. Making some of these pricey moves might put us in the conversation in 2019, but could cost us a title in 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garmel View Post
    LOL! Looks like someone's off his meds again. Btw, how's next year's attendance looking?
    One of the trio pops out of the weeds to say something stupid!

    ToTT assseemmmbbblllllllllle!

    Whereís that sig you promised to keep up forever hero?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    One of the trio pops out of the weeds to say something stupid!

    ToTT assseemmmbbblllllllllle!

    Where’s that sig you promised to keep up forever hero?
    You are a great poster when talking about the Braves. When you become enamored with ridiculing other posters you make the board almost unreadable.

    Stop trying to get people to leave the board if they disagree with you. Your points are good and will speak for themselves without the name calling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfree80 View Post
    You are a great poster when talking about the Braves. When you become enamored with ridiculing other posters you make the board almost unreadable.

    Stop trying to get people to leave the board if they disagree with you. Your points are good and will speak for themselves without the name calling.
    Iíll stop ridiculing him when he supplies an acceptable explanation as to why he dropped his sig meant to ridicule me despite swearing he would never drop it when I was proven right.

    Until then Iím going to point out how stupid he is at every opportunity.

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