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    #Braves payroll at about $106M currently, approx $15M below last year's Opening Day total, which they probably won't surpass by much. They still need to add OF and would like to add pitching. To add frontline starter they'd likely have to do it via trade & shed Teheran sal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    windows close for various reasons--old age, bad luck, bad decisions

    the latter are what a GM has under his control

    the Cards have shown that you can both win multiple World Series and keep that window open a long time

    we also showed that it is possible to keep the window open a long time (and we did manage to win a World Series)

    the Indians are currently in the midst of what looks to be a nice run even on a limited budget...remains to be seen if they will win a WS

    If your farm system can consistently spot and develop talent when you are winning nearly anything is possible.

    Your most recent example is the Indians, and I think they look, based on contract situations, like they are on a 5-6 year run.

    I think the Cards have gone for it plenty. they're awfully good about making sound moves while re-tooling and seem to have an inexhaustible supplies of good evaluations that they develop well.

    the 90s Braves are a tale of two separate eras. The Championship Braves actually ended with the 90s essentially. The decent Braves held together with spit and tape went on for a good while longer, but never really threatened to win much. I'm not sure there was ideal value in riding that one slowly down to its ultimate conclusion. A pretty decent farm system helped tremendously until your guy finished depleting it.

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    The Atlanta #Braves today agreed to terms on one-year, non-guaranteed contracts with LHP Sam Freeman ($1.575 million), RHP Kevin Gausman ($9.35 million) and RHP Dan Winkler ($1.61 million). The Braves have zero remaining players eligible for salary arbitration.
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    Updated arb cases

    Arbitration updates:

    Agreed to terms with
    Winkler $1.61m
    Culberson $1.395m
    Duvall $2.875m
    Viz $4.8m
    Folty $5.475m
    Gausman $9.35
    Freeman $1.575

    Total: $27.08m

    All 7 of our arb guys have signed
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    Once again, Dodgers & Marlins virtually no deals for years. Not a coincidence. Stanton talks were unproductive at best. Marlins current ask is Bellinger or nothing. Great fit for J.T. there for sure BUT more than meets the eye there IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    If your farm system can consistently spot and develop talent when you are winning nearly anything is possible.

    Your most recent example is the Indians, and I think they look, based on contract situations, like they are on a 5-6 year run.

    I think the Cards have gone for it plenty. they're awfully good about making sound moves while re-tooling and seem to have an inexhaustible supplies of good evaluations that they develop well.

    the 90s Braves are a tale of two separate eras. The Championship Braves actually ended with the 90s essentially. The decent Braves held together with spit and tape went on for a good while longer, but never really threatened to win much. I'm not sure there was ideal value in riding that one slowly down to its ultimate conclusion. A pretty decent farm system helped tremendously until your guy finished depleting it.
    the 2002 and 2003 teams both won over 100 games
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    Once again, Dodgers & Marlins virtually no deals for years. Not a coincidence. Stanton talks were unproductive at best. Marlins current ask is Bellinger or nothing. Great fit for J.T. there for sure BUT more than meets the eye there IMO.
    Bellinger has more control and can play multiple positions. I’d keep Bellinger to if I were the Dodgers and the same way with Albies for us. No way we give him up for JTR.

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    #Braves payroll at about $106M currently, approx $15M below last year's Opening Day total, which they probably won't surpass by much. They still need to add OF and would like to add pitching. To add frontline starter they'd likely have to do it via trade & shed Teheran sal.

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    That’s $121M, or exactly what intelli-Braves have been saying the 2018 opening day payroll would be for months now.

    I have no idea where Bowman got that “at least $60M to spend” line he pedaled and then doubled down on earlier in the offseason.

    It looks like it’s the Astros or Braves for JTR...or an epic fail by the Morons...I mean Marlins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    That’s $121M, or exactly what intelli-Braves have been saying the 2018 opening day payroll would be for months now.

    I have no idea where Bowman got that “at least $60M to spend” line he pedaled and then doubled down on earlier in the offseason.

    It looks like it’s the Astros or Braves for JTR...or an epic fail by the Morons...I mean Marlins.
    I wonder if the Marlins would be smart enough to take JT. If I was a marlins fan I would take that entire deal. Get a little more out of the braves maybe, they have the money and JT would be a decent flip candidate at the deadline in that park.

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    I can't believe we are keeping Freeman
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    the 2002 and 2003 teams both won over 100 games

    I actually thought about excepting the two Sheffield teams, but concluded again that those rotations were not championship caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    I wonder if the Marlins would be smart enough to take JT. If I was a marlins fan I would take that entire deal. Get a little more out of the braves maybe, they have the money and JT would be a decent flip candidate at the deadline in that park.
    Money is what the Marlins do not have. But it would not be a bad plan of attack for them.

    So far I have not seen any indication the Braves feel like shedding Teheran is any kind of priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I actually thought about excepting the two Sheffield teams, but concluded again that those rotations were not championship caliber.
    False narrative. Meh rotations and meh lineups win all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Money is what the Marlins do not have. But it would not be a bad plan of attack for them.

    So far I have not seen any indication the Braves feel like shedding Teheran is any kind of priority.
    They have to have a payroll that is Chen Ming Wang, JTR and minimum guys right? Maybe there are a couple of guys I am missing. They have to be the lowest payroll in the league, right?

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    Marlins have totally botched this JTR situation, maybe they eventually get a good deal from someone.

    But with Martin to LAD, Mets getting Ramos, it really seems like Astros or Braves for JTR provided our offer is still on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ2dollas View Post
    They have to have a payroll that is Chen Ming Wang, JTR and minimum guys right? Maybe there are a couple of guys I am missing. They have to be the lowest payroll in the league, right?
    Starlin Castro and Martin Prado.

    BR has them at 76m estimated. That's maybe more than they'd like to spend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Marlins have totally botched this JTR situation, maybe they eventually get a good deal from someone.

    But with Martin to LAD, Mets getting Ramos, it really seems like Astros or Braves for JTR provided our offer is still on the table.

    Think Heyman reported Dodgers are not out on Realmuto.

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    I doubt they’ll take Teheran back unless we send another prospect. We could put Flowers in the deal to save some though or use him to fill a catching void with the Astros or somebody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Think Heyman reported Dodgers are not out on Realmuto.

    They also reported its Bellinger or nothing so the Dodgers turned and went another direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    False narrative. Meh rotations and meh lineups win all the time.
    Ok fine , show me the World Series winner with worse rotation than ancient Glavine, Maddux, Millwood and two randoms.

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