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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyward View Post
    Some say Soroka, some say Anderson, some say Riley.
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    I’m with Encheff, something big has to be in the works for them to settle on Neck. There were several better targets left but at 4 million that was hard to pass up if you had another big move up your sleeve.

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    Wait, so the Marlins and Braves have been doing the Realmuto dance all off-season and the Marlins haven't even gotten around to making an offer yet?

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    From what Mish has said they’ve talked players but the Marlins haven’t made a formal offer on paper

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadduxFanII View Post
    Wait, so the Marlins and Braves have been doing the Realmuto dance all off-season and the Marlins haven't even gotten around to making an offer yet?
    Jeter is probably over there waiting on an Acuna + Albies + Soroka for JTR and some balls signed by Jeter offer

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    We're obviously willing to sacrifice defense/framing for offense at catcher... could we perhaps see AA do this at ss with camargo over Swanson?
    Why is that obvious? McCann and flowers are both very good framers. Suzuki is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    Sure we could have dipped into our prospect pile. But I'd rather not unless the return is very good. Imagine if we had traded Albies last off-season.
    If we had, we might have Yelich, which would be better than having albies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Why is that obvious? McCann and flowers are both very good framers. Suzuki is not.
    Trying to trade for realmuto

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    A big trade is coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    Why is that obvious? McCann and flowers are both very good framers. Suzuki is not.
    Why can’t people follow a thread before assuming things over and over again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewupk View Post
    So Rivera is the first unanimous player in the HOF. Ugh.
    Rivera deserves to be voted in unanimously, but he should’ve been at least the fourth. Aaron, Ripken, and Griffey should have been a unanimous vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadduxFanII View Post
    Wait, so the Marlins and Braves have been doing the Realmuto dance all off-season and the Marlins haven't even gotten around to making an offer yet?
    It’s pretty obvious the Marlins don’t know what they’re doing. If they had a clue, a deal would’ve been done before Christmas and probably with a pretty good package for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Trying to trade for realmuto

    I guess I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure how you make the Braves rather having Realmuto than McCann or Suzuki sound negative.

    I don't think it follows at all that they would necessarily sacrifice defense for offense anywhere else, because they'd be down for a no-brainer (without consideration for trade cost) upgrade.

    Realmuto does not score well on framing, but probably fields the position better than any of those three from what fangraphs has to say.

    I think the whole framing fixation is trees for the forest for some. It's just one part of the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I guess I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure how you make the Braves rather having Realmuto than McCann or Suzuki sound negative.

    I don't think it follows at all that they would necessarily sacrifice defense for offense anywhere else, because they'd be down for a no-brainer (without consideration for trade cost) upgrade.

    Realmuto does not score well on framing, but probably fields the position better than any of those three from what fangraphs has to say.

    I think the whole framing fixation is trees for the forest for some. It's just one part of the job.
    Its just one part of the job, but its EASILY the most important job out of all of them. Statistically, framing is about 10-15x more important than any other aspect of catching.

    Framing can net you up to 20 extra runs per year if you are good enough. A guy that is elite at throwing baserunners out may account for 2 runs. Maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Exhibit A showing why the eye test has been flushed from MLB FOs.
    I meant I'd be fine with Parra as a possible bounce back candidate if the search for an OF drug into late February or early March. He was never my #1 choice or anything like that. My top choice is...



    It sure seems like a moot point now though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    Its just one part of the job, but its EASILY the most important job out of all of them. Statistically, framing is about 10-15x more important than any other aspect of catching.

    Framing can net you up to 20 extra runs per year if you are good enough. A guy that is elite at throwing baserunners out may account for 2 runs. Maybe.

    I'm aware.

    I may not quite intuitively understand (yet) why roughly two pitches a game adds up to so many runs, but I'm capable of understanding the general theory and reading what the stats say about the totals.

    When I do get to full understanding, I may have more informed feelings about how far to trust the framing calculations, but I can put that aside for these purposes and take them as they are.

    and then Take the runs saved calculation and plug it back into WAR to compare players with different skill sets. And I can see that saving 20 runs in framing doesn't necessarily make you the better player if you are giving away 28 runs on offense and defense.

    Thus, framing is just one factor of a catcher's performance.

    What I'm saying is that your post was not especially responsive to mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I'm aware.

    I may not quite intuitively understand (yet) why roughly two pitches a game adds up to so many runs, but I'm capable of understanding the general theory and reading what the stats say about the totals.

    When I do get to full understanding, I may have more informed feelings about how far to trust the framing calculations, but I can put that aside for these purposes and take them as they are.

    and then Take the runs saved calculation and plug it back into WAR to compare players with different skill sets. And I can see that saving 20 runs in framing doesn't necessarily make you the better player if you are giving away 28 runs on offense and defense.

    Thus, framing is just one factor of a catcher's performance.

    What I'm saying is that your post was not especially responsive to mine.
    That's because it was the only part of your post that I adamantly disagreed with. Realmuto is pretty clearly an upgrade over any combination of Flowers/Suzuki/McCann. Most of that upgrade comes from his offensive contributions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southcack77 View Post
    I'm aware.

    I may not quite intuitively understand (yet) why roughly two pitches a game adds up to so many runs, but I'm capable of understanding the general theory and reading what the stats say about the totals.

    When I do get to full understanding, I may have more informed feelings about how far to trust the framing calculations, but I can put that aside for these purposes and take them as they are.

    and then Take the runs saved calculation and plug it back into WAR to compare players with different skill sets. And I can see that saving 20 runs in framing doesn't necessarily make you the better player if you are giving away 28 runs on offense and defense.

    Thus, framing is just one factor of a catcher's performance.

    What I'm saying is that your post was not especially responsive to mine.
    Very simply, changing a ball to a strike is worth about 0.13 runs, and vise versa:

    https://tht.fangraphs.com/dynamic-ru...ead-of-a-ball/

    Anything else confusing about the stat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanieAntics View Post
    That's because it was the only part of your post that I adamantly disagreed with. Realmuto is pretty clearly an upgrade over any combination of Flowers/Suzuki/McCann. Most of that upgrade comes from his offensive contributions.

    I'd say the player's bat is at least as important as his ability to frame pitchers. Realmuto's stat lines show why.

    Otherwise, we are not really in disagreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Very simply, changing a ball to a strike is worth about 0.13 runs, and vise versa:

    https://tht.fangraphs.com/dynamic-ru...ead-of-a-ball/

    Anything else confusing about the stat?

    It something about changing the ball to a strike and vice versa being worth .13 runs that is the difficult part to digest.

    I think I get how I should digest it, but it's still rumbling around in there.

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